OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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xp he's good at writing about the music business, i find him lacking when he writes about the artform itself

stormzy daniels (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link

I still think it’s funny that Michael Nelson called the band name Dog Shredder “gross and indefensible”

like æ duce says, smell my anvil vapre (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link

i think it was weird that, given his casually enthusiastic style, his pallbearer review was p much all comparisons to other records, which made it p impenetrable to someone not acquainted w a lot of the records mentioned, but also sort of meaningless even w the ones which which i was. like, if the progressions are so great, try to describe them? he mentions a chord change that struck him once and doesn't expand on it

lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link

tbf dog shredding is more gross and indefensible than most things

lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link

no way, a german shepherd busting out some sweet lightspeed yngwie licks on a neon-green flying v is cool as shit

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link

bizarro is right as usual. Are we talking about dogs who play fast modal tapping solos on guitar? Or are we talking about dogs being thrus in Fargo-esque woodchippers?

like hell, but with more ketchup (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link

participles are confusing

lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link

What if the shredder is a dog?

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link

(...should’ve read the other replies first...)

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link

bizarro is right as usual.

more of this from the rest of the board too pls

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link

i like Nelson's stuff usually (a lot more than Brad, apparently) but again:

10,000+ words!

on the Strokes guy's not-the-Strokes new band!

alpine static, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link

serious question: is Nelson paid an annual salary by Stereogum? he's on there enough, i assume he's on staff.

and if so, did Scott, like, tell him he could take a week off of doing news updates or w/e and write that piece?

and if so, then I guess they think 10K words on the Voidz is clickworthy enough to go a man down on day-to-day stuff?

or am I way off base here and Nelson's a freelancer and he pitched a thousands-word-count story?

i'm never going to read the thing, but i am kinda interested in the economics and logistics behind it.

alpine static, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 23:31 (six years ago) link

Michael Nelson is the managing editor, and he doesn't file that much copy in comparison to the others who are on staff. (I wish he'd do more on the music business - when he did that string of pieces on streaming in 2016-2017, he was knocking it out of the park every time.) Why do I know this? Because at this point, Stereogum is my favorite music site.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link

saving country music is a horrible blog

dyl, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 03:54 (six years ago) link

it really is.

maura, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link

xxpost thanks Raymond!

alpine static, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 07:18 (six years ago) link

de nada, alpine static

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link

The Saving Country Music guy is just Neill Jameson (Decibel's go-to essayist for incoherent anti-Antifa grumblings and other "defenses" of "keeping" "metal" "dangerous") in a cowboy hat.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link

So Tracey Thorn complained about a review on Twitter:

A 55 year old wife and mother. God the more I think about it the crosser I'm getting. 55 year old husband and father. I'm trying to imagine it as a description in an album review. Nope. Can't do it.

— Tracey Thorn (@tracey_thorn) April 13, 2018

And I figured it was probably just some random UK jagoff. Turns out it was King Jagoff, typing with his dick again:

Tracey Thorn: Record (Merge) Calm, deliberate, undemonstrative, Thorn is a singer some find magical and others prosaic. I've always tended other, but when a 55-year-old wife and mother claims she's recorded "nine feminist bangers," I pay attention.

Is this a "dog walking on its hind legs" situation for him? "She's old and married with a kid...but she says she's a feminist! This is a job for Christgau, The Dean of American Women's Studies Rock Critics!"

In four other songs, decent but fundamentally clueless guys mess with various women's lives, while two others evoke a motherhood you assume is autobiographical

Do you? I don't, any more than I assume George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher has really murdered all those people.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 14 April 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link

*face palm*

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 April 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link

And this one comes exactly one week after his Amy Rigby review. He's on a real roll.

Rigby's response, in part (the whole thing is worth reading):

All I know is that it was fine when he’d conjecture about me as a single mother, my work, my songs, hell even my breasts. It was fine cause I was hungry then – I wanted what ever any critic would say about me as long as it felt sort of like a compliment.

But I don’t feel that way anymore. I don’t want his praise that feels like a put down. I don’t want him talking about me in terms of my first husband who, bless his heart I have not been married to for twenty years. I don’t want him praising while panning and damning my partner, my husband, by saying he’s kept me too busy to do much work on music when he’s done nothing but encourage me to work. I don’t want him dismissing my hardworking husband for taking the easy way and living on the past when he’s done nothing but try to outrun the past.

I don’t want his readers thinking something’s a rave review when it feels hurtful and personal and dismissive.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 14 April 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link

I think Christgau’s issue (one of them) often is writing positive reviews that feel like condescending pats on the head and when they’re aimed at women they feel just really paternalistic and the winking asides and mild caveats come off as even insults. And he still can’t write about women without regarding them as equals (he’d say otherwise and then pause to be dazzled by their looks or juggling of the domestic chores with music-making.)

omar little, Saturday, 14 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link

Christgau’s reviews seem largely worthless even just on the basic level of talking about the music (never mind the issues discussed above). I’ve never understood why he has such a rep.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link

That Amy Rigby piece is terrific, btw

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 14 April 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link

change my comment above to *disregarding them

omar little, Saturday, 14 April 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1348047913l/341633.jpg

Although Artificial Intelligence's sleeve notes had insisted that the new electronica "cannot be described as soulless or machine made," what's most interesting about Autechre's work is the absence of heart and humanity, the way that the listener's impulse to forge an emotional connection simply ricochet's off the impenetrable, gmonic surfaces of their sound. At times you can't help wonder if the "aut" in their name stands for autism; listening, the mind's eye conjures up a vision of two small boys surrounded by techno toys, lost in a preverbal world of chromatics, texture and contour.

like æ duce says, smell my anvil vapre (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 16 April 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link

20-year-old music criticism in problematic attitudes to autism shocker

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 April 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link

The Impenetrable Gnomic Surfaces is the name of my Autechre tribute band btw.

fleetwood machiavellian (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 16 April 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link

jeezus fucking christ

marcos, Monday, 16 April 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link

This is why I only write for Consumer Reports now

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 16 April 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link

almost certain that it does stand for autism and that sean autechre is proudly autistic

yours, someone w/ mild autism

imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link

the only problem with that bit of writing is that autechre DOES contain emotion and feeling, but u neurotypicals don't get it I guess

imago, Monday, 16 April 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link

hold me closer
neurodancer

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 April 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link

This Scottish newspaper employs some good arts writers, but its op-ed section is a joke...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/16169683.Brian_Beacom__Pulitzer_music_prize_judges_deserve_a_rap_on_the_knuckles/

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Thursday, 19 April 2018 09:34 (six years ago) link

That might be the worst piece of music writing ever.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 19 April 2018 09:58 (six years ago) link

Jesus christ

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 April 2018 10:02 (six years ago) link

some excellent Scruton-ising there, it's a load of (c)rap, innit?

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 10:07 (six years ago) link

all I see there is a campaign to give Limmy a Pulitzer, everything else was just padding

thirst trap your hare (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 19 April 2018 10:44 (six years ago) link

I imagine Brian Bee Cum is about to have a slaughter in his menchies

like æ duce says, smell my anvil vapre (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 April 2018 12:20 (six years ago) link

High and low culture? Who is right when you recall Bob Dylan’s Nobel Prize for Literature last year, which caused a stooshie. “Lay lady lay, lay across my big brass bed,” may have acutely summed up man’s sexual imaginations but doesn’t quite compare with Steinbeck’s The Grapes of Wrath.

This is something of a self-own, considering that lyric could literally be a line of Steinbeck dialogue...

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 19 April 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link

I'd ask if anyone had any bets on how many previous music Pulitzer winners Beacom has listened to but you can't really bet on a certainty.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link

https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/album-review-jason-aldeans-rearview-town/

should be easy to see why this review is both poorly written and reprehensible (i don't buy his excuses in the comments.)

omar little, Friday, 20 April 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link

this dude

lowercase (eric), Friday, 20 April 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link

including in some songs these strange feminine (or synthesized) sighs and calls like something you would hear in the soundtrack of a 90’s-era war strategy RPG or 1st-person shooter game

what, like warcraft? is jason aldean going zug-zug

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 20 April 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link

the zerg queen doing background vocals

mh, Friday, 20 April 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link

best phrase...

Among other fair criticisms...

...in which he critiques his own critique, and judges it to be a good, fair critique.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 20 April 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link

new jason aldean single right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwWh1xy6gvU

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 20 April 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link

There are a lot of provocative statements in here:
http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-artists-ranked-from-best-to-worst.html

aphoristical, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link

lots of discussion about that on the Pitchfork thread but it belongs here in the HOF

omar little, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link

ctrl f trump

lowercase (eric), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link


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