Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

I don't think he dislikes touring. I think he doesn't like touring with Fleetwood Mac. When he does his solo tours, of which I have seen many, he always refers to it as the little machine to Fleetwood Mac's big machine, and I get where he's coming from. Fleetwood Mac, not only does the band have a manager, every member of the band has their own manager as well. Factor in 5 egos and ridiculous amounts of money, and it's probably not the most relaxing experience. Five star hotels and private jets aside.

This is kinda cool imo, I'd love to hear Finn and McVie write together, and Campbell and Nicks... Fleetwood Mac changing lineups is nothing new

Could be interesting, I think it's funny that people are freaking out about this as if a) the Rumours era band was going to do some classic album at this stage and b) as if Buckingham has some ownership over this band, it existed before him and now will exist after

Yep.

Also: Nicks has already co-written material with Campbell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhOSBfPCyjM

Ah of course law of averages I should have known they'd have worked together before

Like what is being lost here? Another nostalgia tour in baseball arenas with the same lineup?

still lolling at 'the housebreakers' btw

Sorry basketball arenas

lindsay should soooo join little big town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUfCRSGBL7Y

lindsay go on chapo

The freakout (as such) is because Buckingham has more or less held the band together (creatively) since Rumours, and losing his songs/voice/guitar/ego/vision/hair/tan/open-chested shirt has in the past proved an insurmountable challenge. I mean, I'm not freaking out, but if I paid $500 for a ticket I might be a little perturbed. Re: creative potential, the last Fleetwood Mac album (and EP) was good, and the Buckingham/McVie album wasn't bad. And Buckingham's last five (or whatever) solo albums have all been good.

Eh I'd be much more interested in something different with guys that have a lot of talented and seem suited to the band's vibe

Like I guess if I need more I can listen to 5 Lindsay Buckingham albums I've never heard

I think I'm in
chapo

chapo in the night (1987)

I'm cool with Fleetwood Mac doing something different, but the odds of this Fleetwood Mac being significantly different from the big machine Fleetwood Mac of the last 40 years is unlikely. Their idea of shaking things up would probably be limited to playing one song from Bare Trees and Stop Draggin my Heart Around. The rest will be the usual war horses, minus an essential linchpin. You cant fill arenas for top dollar playing Rattlesnake Shake.

I do love the players involved though. It would be awesome if it was some sort of Fleetwood Mac Presents, with the band backing up a host of like-minded singers.

This really no different than The Who, AC/DC or the Eagles...the show must go on as there is just too damn much money to be made.

Its not like this line-up is going to record. They're just a tribute band going out and playing the Lindsey era hits. The Buckingham/McVie album would have been a Fleetwood Mac album is Stevie had any interest in new music.

I'm with Josh. Those are two of my very favorite musicians. I wish them well, but I'm unlikely to buy concert tickets to go see them do "Second Hand News" or whatever.

Yeah and, it's not like I'm eagerly anticipating a new Fleetwood Mac album anyways, so why do I care who's in or out? The records still exist and I can listen to them whenever I want.

It is a historical curiosity that there is still such a thing as a touring Journey or Queen or Who or Stones or whatever. Again, lots of beloved and skilled people are involved, and I generally wish them well. But it's not going to tempt me out to an arena any time soon.

The/a bummer is that Neil Finn rarely tours the US anymore.

Truthbomb. I guess he doesn't need to, as he appears happy and comfortable with dogs and children and whatnot. He appears to be richer than Colin Hay and that is as it should be.

(I am basing these impressions purely on what I see from documentaries and concert films. I watch them ALL.)

Though MacMembership may come with a paycheck that tempts him into the Northern Hemisphere with greater regularity. If so, I would be unquietly thrilled if he snuck away for an acoustic club date here and there. Probably a pure fantasy, but it is a pleasant one.

We need to come up with a plan to rescue Neil from FM

Pay him millions of dollars I guess

Boo hoo ya babies

DANNY KIRWIN FOREVER!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLiQBV6A7c

TIL Lindsey wrote and sang the National Lampoon song so here's the video

The/a bummer is that Neil Finn rarely tours the US anymore.

the worthless lazy shit has played multiple shows or full tours in the US in 2002 (twice, once including Chicago), 2003 (including Chicago), 2007 (including Chicago), 2008 (including Chicago), 2009, 2010 (twice, once including Chicago), 2011 (twice, once including Chicago), 2013, 2014, 2015 (twice), 2016 (twice, once including Chicago) and 2018*.

Imagine any US artist going to the antipodes as many times in forty years as Finn has done in the fourth decade of his career alone (13 times!). Let alone locals bemoaning that infrequency.

*only one so far, but seems likely he'll be back somehow?

Crowded House, sure, but how many of those were solo gigs? That's what I was talking about. Even the 2016 show here, for example, was opening up for Guster (of all bands) in a distant outdoor outpost, and before that I don't know the last time it was just Neil as solo headliner. Some of my favorite shows have been Neil solo.

(I make the distinction because I love his solo albums, but that material doesn't get played with Crowded House.)

Last time I saw FM just last tour I guess, Lindsey was talking about releasing some demos and b sides that have never seen the light of day and then him and Stevie performed one and it was awesome and I guess that aint happening no mo

I assume it has to do with money, it's always about money. Money and their managers. each manager no doubt wants to maximize the amount of money their client gets, but to paraphrase DJ Shadow, you can only split something in half and share it once.

Crowded House, sure, but how many of those were solo gigs? That's what I was talking about.

Two of those seventeen were Crowded House.

Well then he just doesn't play Chicago. Besides the Guster one in 2006 (maybe Neil headlined?), the last solo Chicago show of his I see on setlist was in 2003. I guess the rest were CH, Pajama Club ... Finn Brothers?

Whoops, Guster was 2016 I meant.

oh, I forgot about [The] Finn [Brothers]. Add "2004 (including Chicago)" to the list, making 17 proper times in 13 years that this artist who never tours the US travelled to the US to play shows.

(2011 in Chicago was Pajama Club, and oops, three were Crowded House - they went back in consecutive years on the first "new" album.)

additional!

Fleetwood Mac guys clearly know Mike Campbell, but I wonder where the Neil Finn connection came from?

― Josh

Oh, wait, Mitchell Froom produced the Buckingham/McVie album, there's the one degree.

― Josh

Froom & Finn haven't worked together since three tracks for a best-of 23 years ago. It's not impossible that a bunch of still-working musicians from the '70s know another still-working musician from the '70s by reputation or in passing.

Also, Mick Fleetwood played with Liam Finn in NZ two years ago yesterday.

― me

seems Split Enz toured the US and Canada with Stevie Nicks and the Heartbreakers in 1981. and at the same 2016 gig, long-time CH fan Mick also backed Neil on Better Be Home Soon, then returned to NZ a few months later & recorded three albums' worth of material with him.

(presumably stoned jams that were fine not seeing the light of day once the haze lifted. or great songs that couldn't make it past Fleetwood's labels and managers.)

sic *knows* the things he knows

i wasn't exactly expecting that to include the historical record of kiwis' tours of north america, but nor am i surprised

I only *knew* Josh was talking nonsense, even I was surprised when I looked it up

I did correct myself to say that I meant solo tours, where he plays his solo material. Not Pajama Club, not Crowded House, not Finn Brothers. Stuff from his solo albums.

Only fixating because of all the Finn shows I've seen - CH, Brothers - his solo shows have been my fave. Especially when Lisa Germano was in the band.

"I'm unlikely to buy concert tickets to go see them do "Second Hand News""

I have to assume they won't be playing any primarily Lindsey written material on this tour. Maybe they will but that seems like it would be weird.

also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"

They should get Tim Finn to replace Stevie and knuckle down and make a record.

Would totally love Finn Brothers with the FM rhythm section.

Who did he hit this time?

also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"

I read her book and it's graphic – even the part where Harris describes applying makeup to Buck before an Elvis Costello show.

Dare I ask what that entails?

eyeliner!

yeah I went back and googled and some of this stuff is in Gold Dust Woman (the Stevie bio that was published in November). So I wouldn't be surprised if the band thought it best to head that off before a tour brouht it up again; or, like I said, maybe Stevie just said 'him or me' and they made the sound financial choice.

Hopefully the Eagles organization will follow the Mac's lead and fire Don He...I couldn't even complete that sentence.

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Buckingham mcvie album is alright but if I wasn’t a Mac fan not sure I would care much for it