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Listening to Beethoven 7 right now and here's my controv op on that: the second movement, ie the famous one that has been beaten to death in recent years, is unquestionably the worst movement. Total bummer in comparison to the joy and invention of Mvmnts 1, 3 and 4.

Yeah movement #2 is literally shit

booming controps

Nah, you're just wrong. All of it is amazing but the bummer remains the best part of the 7th.

Tu quote Samuel Beckett, 'the sound surface of Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony is devoured by huge black pauses, so that for pages on end we cannot perceive it as other than a dizzying path of sounds connecting unfathomable chasms of silence'. I assume he was referring to the second movement in particular.

Tu quote Samuel Beckett, 'the sound surface of Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony is devoured by huge black pauses, so that for pages on end we cannot perceive it as other than a dizzying path of sounds connecting unfathomable chasms of silence'. I assume he was referring to the second movement in particular.

I don't see why. That description sounds like movements 3 and 4 particularly, because they seem to literally portray dizziness and drunken swaying - contemporaries thought Beethoven composed it while drunk(1) (while I think it's just portraying that state). Movement 2 is more a wearying procession of sounds than a dizzying path - it's a funeral march after all

(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._7_(Beethoven)

Friedrich Wieck, who was present during rehearsals, said that the consensus, among musicians and laymen alike, was that Beethoven must have composed the symphony in a drunken state

(Then again it's Happy Days Sam, so you're probably right. The most tragic movement was prob his fave)

Oh fuck off mvt. 2 is so nice

The major-to-minor moment at the end of that one phrase is one of the most beautiful things ever written

The rest of the symphony is underrated tho, it's def my favourite of Beethoven's symphonies..

..aside from a residual early-childhood connection to #1 as a result of an adoration for this British cartoon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ThMmLVWZo8

Fair enough! That's why I put it in this here thread, it's obviously a masterful movement in and of itself, but I'm burnt out on it personally. And the other 3 movements are up there with my fave LVB tings

Oh, and one last point: the only reason it is any good is because of the harmonic counterpoint, which does elevate it, of course - in terms of form, it's a fairly dull set variations. The formal innovations of the other 3 movements is not present here to me.

i prefer early autechre

My favourite is Gantz Graf, is that more or less controversial? I dunno.

Beau Bridges is a really terrible actor.

I thought "early Autechre was best" was always kind of the majority opinion though admittedly anyone who's stuck with them to this point probably actually enjoys the sensation of a floor buffer rattling their brain

Gantz Graf is also my favorite. I feel like I used to be an outlier with this opinion, but I think these days among autechre fans the Confield/Draft/Untilted era is considered the best by many if not by most.

I guess there's probably lots of people who like 90s autechre who don't really consider themselves big autechre fans, though. I can't imagine this is the case much for 00s/10s autechre.

"Beau Bridges is a really terrible actor."

he got better as he got older.

I'm kind of amused at the idea of someone wanting to get into Autechre for the first time and just being like "okay, I'll just grab their latest album..."

lol that was me in 2016

Draft 7.30 was the first one I bought.

But picking up a quintuple album as your introduction would be pretty intense, I agree.

xpost he got worse as he got older!

i didn't buy it i streamed it... i think
then i got Incunabula on vinyl and wasn't into at all, sold it last summer. i like the Garbage EP

Gantz Graf is also my favorite. I feel like I used to be an outlier with this opinion, but I think these days among autechre fans the Confield/Draft/Untilted era is considered the best by many if not by most.

― silverfish, Friday, April 20, 2018 6:10 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In say 2002-2005 I felt like Autechre fans were all "STFU with that ridiculous novelty noise thing" but everyone who's still onboard now seems to agree with me that it's the best distillation of the Autechre concept, or the concept as it was at least.

And in related news I just showed the video to my kids (aged 3 and 7) and they said it was "awesome" so that probably settles it.

Boiled meat is delicious

you meant simmered, surely. outright boiling makes meat tougher and less flavorful.

Wrong

Boiled sausage and bratwursts are delicious

As are some boiled meats in east asian cuisine

nyc street dogs are boiled and are the best hot dogs in the world so yes

ground meat has already had its fibers thoroughly mangled, so it can stand boiling better without as much toughness.

but are you sure a nyc street vendor keeps a rolling boil going? seems like it would be a lot more energy intensive and would lessen their profits by that much, compared to keeping to a low simmer. I ask out of ignorance, never having been to nyc.

Pretty sure hot dogs are already cooked; they are kept in hot (not boiling) water just as a means of ensuring they are warm when you want to eat them.

people streaming video on phones are probably garbage.

My mom boils the crap out of meat and sausages. She does this so she can remove all the sodium and then trick my dad into thinking he got his snausages.

controp: Seeing a film on a phone is better than not seeing it. Yay phone films.

Are laptops acceptable for streaming? I say this because I think people who automatically turn on the tv and need it on when they wake up, when they get home from work or when they are just home are worse.

that's i think a good point yerac- what is more garbage-y, constant background blather, or interfering streaming?

i think the proposed opinion depends on the scope of the device. is it a highly mobile attempt to consume a streaming video (esp long-format) in an inappropriate venue?

part of me looks at that controversial opinion and thinks it is ridiculously old-fashioned, like when your dad claimed that the public mobile consumption of _any_ food was rude and inappropriate, an atrocity! and you're like, "dad, i'm 9 and it's ice cream, i think we're good."

anti-MSG hysteria is a net benefit to Americans; you will all regret it when Guy Fieri hops on the pro-MSG train.

There is nothing whatsoever virtuous about a small town.

Most jobs should be done by robots.

100% agree with the latter, not sure about the former but i grew up in a large city so my view of small towns/suburbia is probably rosy-eyed

If you tell me one guy has a wife and two healthy kids and a good job, and another guy is homeless and on drugs and has served 10 years in prison, then ask me who's the better guy, I'll need a lot more information

here with you on that rvw

that opinion seems entirely reasonable to me

nah, reaching

Yeah, 'goodness' is a nebulous concept which is often gauged in terms of one's facility at maintaining a public face of 'goodness' which others find sufficiently convincing.

The greatest gift I can give myself IMO is to never fall into the pernicious trap of uncritically perceiving myself to be a 'good person'.

A guy with a wife, job and two kids and the homeless convict on drugs...the only two types of people in the world. I also think most jobs should be done by robots. Except driving. Well, except I would watch nascar for the first time if it was all driverless cars.

Especially if they were really shitty at driving. That would be amazing.

Can’t be worse than humans

I think most drugs should be done by robots.