it was so frustrating seeing them in 94 & watching Billy keep getting ahead of Jimmy, trying to speed up the songs midway through. of course Jimmy was up to it but it felt like a dick move & it didn't make the songs better because they kept changing awkwardly.
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/RLZ4J0N.jpg4. Pisces Iscariot140 points, 25 votes, 3 #1 votes
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
well i wasn't expecting adore to beat pisces with this crowd so i concede that my first favorite album of all time is prob too high for most
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
I rarely pull PI out but it really is the most cohesive outtakes record ever
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
i more readily listen to pisces than sd these days. also i almost made "whir" no. 1 on my ballot
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
Same for me, and I've 'Whir' up there too.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
Pisces is very solid for an outtakes comp but most of it does feel like outtakes for a reason to me. The few tracks that don't though are incredible - Blew Away is James' best, Starla is great obviously, no idea how Obscured didn't make Gish. Whir is nice too but I wouldn't really trade anything on Siamese Dream for it.
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
fwiw I rated Adore really high on albums but only picked 1 song for my ballot. maybe a lot of others did the same? it works the best as a regular album out of all of them imo
xp Obscured was recorded for SD
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
I did the same, flappy
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
oh good i'm glad someone else thinks this
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ic8dhTa.jpg3. Adore 156 points, 22 votes, 6 #1 votes
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
SD is so cohesive, even monochromatic in its sound, and even though the songs on Adore can be pretty different in style or production (like Appels + Oranjes vs. Dusty + Pistol Pete vs. Ava Adore vs. To Sheila), the feeling of wandering and being lost runs through Adore in a really compelling way. and the way it begins so hopefully with To Sheila and ends on such a down note with Blank Page.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
I think SD would just edge out Adore as best to listen to as a whole for me these days. Adore is a little too long but I suppose that does add to the feeling of getting lost in it. Shame through to Blank Page is probably my favourite sequence on any of their albums.
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
just realized I still have my original CD copies of PI and MCIS, o happy day
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
they're similar in the sense that they're both really desperate and reaching, big gamble records, where on SD they were determined not to make a dog of an album and go back to working in record stores and serving coffee, and on Adore they're searching like I said and trying to come to terms with losing Jimmy.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
and that's not even getting into the lyrics
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
I don't really know how to reconcile 'Adore is too long' with 'Eye should probably have been put on it somewhere' and the only thing I'd definitely cut is Annie-Dog
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
Shame through to Blank Page is probably my favourite sequence on any of their albums
otm. hit after hit. the atmosphere they get out of a song as simple as "shame" is remarkable
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
Gish is sounding pretty nice now. "Snail" is really good. Maybe it just sounded too much like other things of the time in the 90s, idk? P sure Adore will never really be my thing but it was def a daring move for them.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
XP
That makes three of us!
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
whoever said Snail is like the MCIS epics condensed into 4 minutes is so so so OTM
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
every guitar line in "snail" is fucking amazing
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
it was painful to not be able to vote for it
my #10
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
3:24 this octave progression omg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS-ThN4aEDU
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
When you wake up you're all weak / POLLING your life away
― jmm, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/UcjcOSp.jpg2. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness218 points, 29 votes, 10 #1 votes
https://i.imgur.com/ZL2EDRT.jpg1. Siamese Dream252 points, 32 votes, 13 #1 votes
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
fair
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
Justice
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
Siamese DreamMellon Collie and the Infinite SadnessGishPisces IscariotAdore
I voted for more Mellon Collie tracks, but SD is the albumest album
― jmm, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
hard to argue with these results
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
sd is really beautifully paced for a record that's an hour long
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
close enough
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
re: results
I can't believe gish is only no.5. By far their most fascinating album if you ask me. So full of psychedelic goodness. The drumming always totally kills me. A monster of an album. The only album after that i liked was mellon collie as it was so varied.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
first album i ever bought on CD. zero regrets.
xpost to SD pacing comment
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
also alex otm – had i voted, i woulda had Gish as #2.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
I had Gish #2. I ignored it for a long time and was blown away when I finally looked backward from SD.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
everyone feels so locked in for 45 minutes.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
really all of their pre-Machina albums are perfectly paced, Billy's deep listening habits paid off when it came time to arrange his own records
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
Full album results:
1 Siamese Dream 252 32 132 Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness 218 29 103 Adore 156 22 64 Pisces Iscariot 140 25 35 Gish 126 24 26 MACHINA/the machines of God 38 9 07 Machina II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music 16 7 08 The Aeroplane Flies High 12 3 09 1979 EP 10 2 010 Lull EP 6 2 010 Ogilala 6 1 012 Rarities and B-Sides 4 1 014 Earphoria 2 1 014 Zero EP 2 1 0
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
Billy's deep listening habits paid off when it came time to arrange his own records
I will choose to interpret this as meaning that Corgan was a seasoned participant in Pauline Oliveros's sonic meditation exercises.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
lol
http://www.crestfallen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/bc_bv.jpg
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
lol at no one voting for oceania
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
yeah i was a little surprised that ogilala (not even a pumpkins album!) was the only post-machinas album to get a vote
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
No real surprises yet - I fully expected Adore to be up there, as much as I disagree with it, particularly not over Gish but I think Corgan was on form during the MACHINA period, it just wasn't presented in the best way.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Someone had Ogilala at number 3.
― jmm, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
I would have voted for Mary Star of the Sea if I'd allowed it though. my ranking:
MCISSDAdore(Mary Star of the Sea)(hypothetical Machinas best of)GishMachina II
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
No votes for Oceania because I didn't submit a ballot.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
couldn't decide which 25 pumpkins songs were actually worth talking about eh
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link