the dude being "gays"
― lowercase (eric), Monday, 2 April 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
i love those two tracks though
― lowercase (eric),
same
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 April 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link
glad the backlash has finally arrived (not here per se, in general) for this good album
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
its weird that it wasn't really there for her less-good last album lol but also makes a lot of sense, im super tired of the jaded knowingness of ppl with no taste though
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 2 April 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
ppl say its a new carly rae jepsen unless it takes off, thing to me is this is much better than carly, i mean you could easily have said that about the second rae sremmurd when it first dropped, shit didn't do well sales-wise until black beatles took off virally a few months later
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 2 April 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
plenty of ppl openly talked about how they were somewhat disappointed by her last album
idk why the carly comparisons are coming up, silly meme she tweeted aside. is p4k reviewing the album the tipping point into this territory?
― dyl, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
she doesn't have a 'hit' like she did on the first album, but its not like that radio hit was 'call me maybe' lol ppl always liked her as an album artist
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 2 April 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
re deej: in order for there to be backlash, there needs to be a coherent media/hype narrative of "this is capital-Q Quality" to backlash against. that just wasn't there for pageant material, which everyone seemed to implicitly agree was good but not tastemaker crossover/premature "is this a classic?"-level good.
― austinb, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
sure. but it also shows the irony of a 'backlash' which is that its less about quality than abt people's annoyance with the behavior of their peers lol
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 2 April 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
i don't disagree with that. my main takeaway from backlash culture is that it indicates a protectiveness concerning genre artists who make Very Good albums, and the tendency to then describe those artists as somehow "above" or apart from the genre they emerge from.
― austinb, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
yeah thats dumb as hell, i think there's a reason i like kacey but dont spend a lot of time on country typically, but i def don't think its that she's better at country as much as she's better at things i like in pop songwriting
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
which is a totally valid reason! but also a distinction that a lot of ppl don't make, and one that kacey honestly has kinda dragged herself into, considering her twitter's been retweeting a bunch of the "i hate country -> new kacey comes on holy shit" memes as of late
― austinb, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
haha ><
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
She's been doing a lot of woodshedding as an opening act, from the usual country pop suspects to Katy Perry. I assume she took advantage of the range of audiences to test out her new stuff, to see where she wants to go. I can't imagine her a standard issue huge country star, but I'm not exactly sure where she's going, either.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 01:19 (six years ago) link
this is a good album, and not that it matters but it sounds the least country out of all her releases to my ears
quite different from same trailer different park at least
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 02:36 (six years ago) link
I like High Horse as a single but the sound of it is too sweet and upbeat to work with those “fuck you” lyrics imho.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
I immediately liked this better than Pageant Material, but still sounds hella country to me. You can’t take the country out of that voice.
Lyrics still seem a little bland compared to the first record though.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 10:19 (six years ago) link
Yes, it doesn’t seem to have much / any of the wit and sharpness that her first two records, and material for other singers, usually had.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 10:34 (six years ago) link
Agreed. I thought she overdid the cleverness on PM at times, now I think she's gone too far in the other direction
I guess I'm just an asshole
― Number None, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:38 (six years ago) link
I think this is nicePop country really brings out the ilminess in ilm, always has
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 12:41 (six years ago) link
is there a backlash to this album? I posted yesterday that I liked it, someone posted that they didn't (I think Alfred?). or is there some "wider internet discussion" turning against this album that's been out for like 4 days?
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 12:57 (six years ago) link
oh I guess there are a couple other negative posts above
she sounds like she smokes a lot of weed
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link
Yeah Kacey is holding
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
Honestly that's the only thing about her that bugs me a little, too many weed songs and jokes. I think it's a shame that at this point when you say "Willie Nelson" the first thing most people think of is "weed," and not "incredible singer/songwriter/guitarist." She sorta similarly has too much going for her to typecast herself with the weed cliches.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:38 (six years ago) link
Like, Bob Dylan, one of the greatest of all time, does "Rainy Day Women," and the stoner punchline follows him around for the rest of his career. Or Tom Petty, with "You Don't Know How It Feels." As if every single rock/country/rap/whatever act is not smoking pot all the time anyway.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link
i understand why it might be offputting -- but one might say she is normalizing (norml-izing haha) weed use for women? (bob dylan, willie nelson, and tom petty are men)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 8:57 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
my entire twitter feed has been "HOW DARE THESE CRITICS LIKE KACEY MUSGRAVES I BET THEY DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO COUNTRY" for seemingly the entirety of the past couple of days
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
also I don't particularly associate weed with Bob Dylan or Tom Petty and don't know that anyone else does, either (or Kacey, for that matter; she really doesn't sing about weed any more than, say, Eric Church or Dierks Bentley)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
yeah I thought weed was no more common than craft beer or something
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link
yikes, who are these people, they sound awful
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
I'm only on track 7 but this album is boring as shit, fuck
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
Like, Bob Dylan, one of the greatest of all time, does "Rainy Day Women," and the stoner punchline follows him around for the rest of his career. Or Tom Petty, with "You Don't Know How It Feels."
Haha, Josh, what frat guys from 1992 are you hanging out with that you’re encountering ppl tittering over the pot refs. in those songs?
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
I've been trying to figure out which specific folk album this reminds me of for like a week now and have yet to really do it; Suzanne Vega is the closest I've come but musically that's not right, it's only her voice
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
It sounds like Sheryl Crow to me
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
most Crow albums have propulsion, though
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
I can't believe the critical consensus was to pooh-pooh the weirdo blue state country album and fawn over a full pivot to H.O.R.D.E. Tour 1997/Vh1 playlist. Between this, Kesha and Lady Gaga, this is what happens when you don't tell people that the Natalie Imbruglia SPIN cover was not a totally normal thing at the time.
Give me more "Biscuits"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
nice whiney i saw you workshopping your lilith fair material on twitter, i think you said paula cole then
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
where have all the whineys gone
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Carly Triple A Jepsen
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
Or Tom Petty, with "You Don't Know How It Feels."
this one is so awesome though. let’s rollllllllllllllllllllllll another joint
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:33 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the drums on this are tight alfred
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
YES!! I was thinking the same this morning. Reminds me of the acoustic stuff on 99.9F.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
this album has plenty of movement but a lot of it is up and down instead of straight ahead
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
lilith fair jokes have aged really well
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
for the record, I didn't make any lilith fair jokes
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
ah ok nm then
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
the only pop music whiney likes is fossilized skronky beats from 2005
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
also the lack of propulsion is what makes songs like "oh what a world" and "love is a wild thing" so good... i find the application of the rubric limiting!!
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
yeah it's kinda dreamy
it reminds me of like a pop country version of neil young harvest moon sorta?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
It comes down to my aversion to her voice and the singer-songwriter staidness of the arrangements, despite the vocoders and disco-lite filigrees. The Brandy Clark album from two years ago does a lot better with similar attempts to send electrical shockers through the material.
But half this album is good! It's impossible to hate imo
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link