Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

I still think of it as a paper magazine that seemed to sell middling rock/indie/folk acts to white dudes in their 30s

Get u a mag who can do both

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/eric-holder-2020-decision-next-year/index.html?sr=twCNN033018eric-holder-2020-decision-next-year0823PMStory

when was the last competitive mustachioed candidate

Thomas E. Dewey, GOP presidential nominee, 1944 and 1948.

As for elected national politicians, Charles Curtis, VP from 1929-1933 and Thomas R. Marshall, VP from 1913-1921

The last fully bearded presidential nominee was Charles E. Hughes, GOP nominee in 1916.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1988/1101880411_400.jpg

Jesse!

https://i.imgur.com/rKyfpla.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbdXSrM0m9w

2012 was such a good GOP primary. Everybody had the lead for two weeks.

i remember newt being like "oh i'm going to be the no-minee" and he kept repeating that and emphasizing the first syllable of "nominee" for some reason

I was pumping gas last night and a guy at an adjacent pump asked me "so who ya voting for? newt?" I was kind of dumbstruck as to why anyone would ask a complete stranger who they're voting for in the GOP primaries.

― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Friday, March 2, 2012 10:11 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this guy might have been Newt in a wig fwiw

― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Friday, March 2, 2012 10:12 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

lol

Is this supposed to be reassuring? She loves wealth derived from uncompensated labor? https://t.co/WdJ93Gklmk

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) July 17, 2018

she is the most left-wing senator in the country, apparently (ignore the tweeter, the data is neutral)

DW-NOMINATE scores say Elizabeth Warren is the most left-wing senator. pic.twitter.com/kZf3FoUxDp

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 17, 2018

i'll investigate their methodology and get back to you

(j/k)

yeah the cory booker thing made me look twice

Cory Booker can eat a hill of butts. But Warren’s capitalism is hardly a surprise — she’s written three books about it.

why do we insist on feeding the troll every time Morbius posts a dumb Henwood tweet

why is it our fault

well at least I got to encounter the phrase "eat a hill of butts" today

I am way more interested in the Warren quote than who provided it, honeybunch

and i'd like to kick "markets" and all their supporters all the way up the ass

how bout flea markets? farmers' markets?

he put scare quotes around it so I assume he means, like, Publix and Giant and Albertsons and Gristedes.

i like that Terminal market in Philly w/ the roast pork sandwiches

Politcally, there's really no incentive for Elizabeth Warren to not say she's a capitalists when socialists have already turned on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

— Lazarus Online (@tilyouregone) July 17, 2018

oh, have they?

Yeah, some socialists like myself were critical of her from the beginning.

But it's a reference to something something Palestine, no?

People got mad when she came out in support of the two state solution.

warren or cortez?

some socialists like myself were critical of her from the beginning day she sat down with The Intercept.

fixed

she put out two dumb statements in quick succession (one on israel/palestine, another on the military being "socialist" or some shit)

as I see NP covered the former

xpost Ocasio. Although that reminds that there were some big twitter leftist accounts who got mad at Warren some months back because she was stressing the need to save the Iran Deal.

Man at the beginning of AOC mania i chickened/boringed out of posting that she was merely someone who hadnt voted to crush yr feels yet, but its amazing how quick she was revealed impure, i guess.

a two-state solution is "dumb" now?

on the military being "socialist" or some shit

the military is the most socialist thing in the US

no that's the major league drafts

honestly i don't care about these stupid purity tests and would have no issue voting Warren or any of these people. none of them have the baggage of Clinton, her Iraq War/Patriot Act voting record, etc. that we were told to ignore & the recent memories of which makes it extra hilarious when non-US ILXors bang on about how horrible these people are because they wrote a bad tweet or something.

a two-state solution is "dumb" now?

― devops mom (silby), Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:06 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's been a process of discovery for me that the current position we're apparently all supposed to have is for a single democratic secular state; a two state solution, which "recognizing israel's right to exist" is apparently understood as a euphemism for, is seen as more of a catchphrase than a feasible reality by now given the incursion of settlements into what would otherwise be a notional palestinian state.

xps to tombot-- if you wanna put your galaxy brain hat on, the military is a jobs guarantee for fit americans between the ages of 18-35

the military is the most socialist thing in the US

citation needed there

a two-state solution is "dumb" now?

the (relatively) popular consensus among most left-wing folks with an interest in the topic is that a single secular state is a preferable solution, the case for which is laid out in a ton of places, here's an example

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/why-two-state-solution-refuses-die-natural-death-1257096527

(xp!)

"recognizing israel's right to exist" is more traditionally a euphemism for "and they can do whatever the fuck they want"? I share the bemusement.

For clarification I also recognise Israel's right to exist! - I mean in the context when the phrase is used as a total answer to "What are your views on this fucked-up thing that Israel has done"

this election is going to be a blast

I'm sure all the candidates will have the correct left position on Israel!

Re: Israel/Palestine, here's a colleague of mine on the subject:

But the reality is, what Israel is posing as a, quote, two-state solution is a Swiss cheese, in which Israeli-controlled territory is the cheese, meaning it’s contiguous, and the Palestinian towns and villages in that small, shrunken part are the holes, not contiguous. So that’s what we’re dealing with.

What we have today is one state. If we define a state as a territory in which one government controls, that’s what we have in historic Palestine. Israel, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, West Jerusalem, and Gaza, all together are controlled by one government. That’s the Israeli government. The Palestinian Authority has municipal authority–garbage collection, teachers, etc. It doesn’t control land, people, courts. It has courts, but they’re not the dominant courts. The Israeli military courts are still dominant in the West Bank. We hear that Gaza is no longer occupied because in 2005 Israel made the decision to withdraw the 7,000 settlers and take the soldiers and redeploy them out of Gazan territory onto the border of Gaza, which is also completely enclosed in a wall. We don’t hear as much about the Gaza wall as we do about the West Bank wall, but both are completely enclosed.

What we have in that situation is the exact definition of the international covenant against the crime of apartheid, which defines the situation in which two different populations live in the same territory with two different legal systems designed to privilege one group over another group.

JAY: Yeah. One group can’t vote.

BENNIS: One group not only can’t vote, but one group–for example, if you look at the West Bank today, if you look at the question of children, if children throw stones, if a settler child throws a stone, in fact, nothing happens. In fact, they are never really held accountable. But in theory that child is appropriately brought to a juvenile court, where the goal of the court is rehabilitation of children and where the dignity of the child is to be paramount.

If a 12-year-old Palestinian child–or in one case a three-year-old child was pulled out of her bed in the middle of the night and told if she didn’t say where her brother was, who was charged with throwing stones, that–the soldiers said they would destroy her home. A three-year-old. I mean, it’s impossible to imagine. But a 12-year-old child, Palestinian child, charged with the same thing, of throwing rocks, is held accountable in a military court.

And now they have a special military court for children, which is–you know, this is the definition of apartheid in one state. So that’s, I think, important to recognize what exists today, because if we’re looking at what there needs to be, we have to start with what exists.

JAY: Right. And I would even say that even if you got rid of the Swiss cheese and then had two-state, you’re going to have one country with this practically modern European economy–

BENNIS: Right. Twenty-third wealthiest country in the world,–

JAY: –next to–.

BENNIS: –and another country of enormous impoverishment.

JAY: I don’t understand how two-states could ever be equal.

I mean maybe complete Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and devolution of settlements to a notional second state with normalized relations is a pipe dream but at least one can articulate it as a goal, and I know ethnic nationalism is illegal now or whatever but I don’t think it’s any less of a pipe dream to suggest that Israel will reconstitute itself to not be a Jewish State. But I’m willfully dumb about all this stuff.

Wrong thread tho at this point

ya heard that

Yup. Substantially changing Israel's policies toward the Palestinians is not likely to occur in the foreseeable future through near term changes in the direction of the Democratic Party.