the Bangerz tour wasn't
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
His output has slowed down, but he enjoys a living-legend stature that prompted 3,562 people to fund a Kickstarter campaign for his short Cans Without Labels, which he screened at a prestigious animation film festival in 2016. He made art for Miley Cyrus’s 2014 Bangerz tour; he animated two credit sequences on The Simpsons, the most recent in 2015. His portrait still hangs on the wall at Nickelodeon.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
The article just came out yesterday.
― how's life, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
this is a weird thing to argue about
lots of people have made art for pop stars and have 3500 kickstarter supporters; this guy is famous for a cable tv show made a quarter of a century ago. the article, as it should, provided context for why he is more notable than a garden-variety pedo asshole. not everyone who reads buzzfeed is an animation nerd like (apparently) ilxors
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
i mean, that is also, literally, how you write articles
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
personally i learned a lot about the concept of time
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 30 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
if he was most productive when being a sexual predator, the slowdown in productivity is probably not so bad. kind of guessing he won't be getting much work anytime soon
― mh, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
All the sentences in the Buzzfeed article about the cartoons he's influenced and the work he gets all seemed pretty value-neutral to me
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
I guess the word "still" is confusing, but I assumed it meant "still there after making money for them, like, a quarter century ago" vs "still there despite being the open secret that he's a creep"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
*despite the
yeah, I'm not quite sure what the argument here is. of course someone whose peak was in the '90s is going to have a slower rate of creative output in the 2010s, that doesn't make the actual story any less horrifying
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
Sorry, I had misinterpreted the line of conversation to mean that "John K was still getting work despite the open secret that he's a creep" with an accusatory eye towards Weird Al and Miley. To which I responded about the article coming out yesterday as if to say "yeah, but how open of a secret was it? do you really think Miley Cyrus is keeping up with cartoon-industry gossip from 15 years ago?" I realize that I was mistaken and am sorry, but brad's comment made me lol at my desk, so I guess it was worth it.
― how's life, Friday, 30 March 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
the way i interpreted that string of messages was someone said "who cares about this guy and some cult show from 25 years ago". and i responded "he was still getting work" hence the Weird Al/Miley, not to accuse them but to say, he's not just some forgotten rando from a quarter century ago with no current impact on pop culture
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 March 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/popular-feminism-structural-rage/
― j., Sunday, 1 April 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
Junot Diaz stories out this morning...
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 4 May 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link
disappointing but also somewhat irritated by the reaction that 'he is claiming childhood abuse to cover for this'. really? in my experience people who were abused as children sometimes grow up to do some fucking horrible things.
― akm, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
AFAICT the annoyance for people is more that in the piece he left the reader with the distinct impression that the only extent to which he "hurt" women in his life was via infidelity
― Simon H., Friday, 4 May 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
How not to respond
Diaz’s agent — ignoring multiple request for comment from @BuzzFeedNews — gave a statement to the Times not disputing the allegations:“I take responsibility for my past. That is the reason I made the decision to tell the truth of my rape and its damaging aftermath." https://t.co/ZIQ6GToJ7E— Tom Namako (@TomNamako) May 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
oh
― Simon H., Friday, 4 May 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
I haven't seen any "claiming" child abuse hot takes. For the most part people believe his trauma but also were suspect about the timing and how he relegated the women he hurt as bit player collateral damage.
― Yerac, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link
Of the three highest-profile Weinstein-like cases up here, one of them plunked himself down in the seat in front of me at a Hot Docs screening this morning. (The Fourth Estate, about Trump and the New York Times--pretty good, but a bit heavy on the deification of reporters.) He's a political on-air guy at a public TV station.
I was interested how he's greeted in public. I'm sure Weinstein gets confronted wherever he goes, but this guy is nothing like that--I think most people were really surprised when the story broke. (Which means nothing; Bill Cosby was Cliff Huxtable.) Do people avoid the subject or address it when talking to him?
Two guys sitting adjacent to him--I don't think friends, he was alone--brought up the accusations against him immediately, inquiring as to how he was making out. I heard him say "It's still being resolved," to which the one guy said "It's already been resolved in the court of public opinion." Not sure if that's true or not.
The film took a five-minute detour into Bill O'Reilly's resignation. I looked over at him, thinking "Wow, that must be awkward." I'll resist any attempt to read his body language during this segment.
― clemenza, Saturday, 5 May 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
charlie rose I assume? why not just say who it was?
― akm, Saturday, 5 May 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
If it's who I think it is (do you want to avoid directly name him?), then my sense is that most people accept that it's resolved in his favour. At least that's the media consensus.
― jmm, Saturday, 5 May 2018 21:40 (five years ago) link
― akm, Friday, May 4, 2018 12:47 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is a toxic, deterministic attitude. Many people abused in childhood grow up to be wonderful, loving people. If we push this idea in society of the cyclical or pay it forward theory of abuse what are we saying to young survivors? "oh, you're going to be fucking evil when you grow up, too bad".
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 5 May 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
Not Charlie Rose, no--I'm in Toronto. Charlie Rose is famous enough that I'd name him. Jmm knows who I mean. I probably shouldn't even post--he's just out seeing a movie. It feels slightly less of an ambush if I don't name him.
― clemenza, Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
I heard that the court of public opinion is worse than jail time so you could be on to something there.
― Yerac, Saturday, 5 May 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
Yerac letting it rip today. I can dig it.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link
rong
― .b derf (darraghmac), Saturday, 5 May 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
Clemenza, seems a bit unfair to compare SP to Weinstein at this point?https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/04/27/tvos-steve-paikin-cleared-of-wrongdoing-by-independent-investigator.html
― sean gramophone, Sunday, 6 May 2018 00:22 (five years ago) link
Didn't know at all he'd been cleared--I'm glad. (Not knowing where the story stood at this point was one of the reasons I didn't use a name.) Not knowing that, I think the comparison is obvious: they'd been accused of the same thing.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:07 (five years ago) link
Actually, they hadn't--Pakin was accused of saying something. Didn't know that, either. (That wasn't made clear when the story broke, was it?) Again, I'm glad.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:16 (five years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse
more appropriate place to post
― 龜, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:14 (five years ago) link
How does anyone become capable of hitting someone in the face
― valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link
Like how did you decide to be an adult who would hit someone
― valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
really
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
and for rebuffing an inappropriate advance, when you’re the boss
― mh, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:21 (five years ago) link
I was surprised that the only Facebook chatter I saw about that was Schneiderman’s cousin cursing his name.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:34 (five years ago) link
does Cuomo get to make an appointment?
he should appoint Preet. or Hillary
― Dan S, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:36 (five years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/nyregion/new-york-attorney-general-eric-schneiderman-abuse.html
schneiderman resigns
― 龜, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:57 (five years ago) link
I hope they appoint the chief deputy attorney general because he was in my freshman dorm
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:59 (five years ago) link
He also might be my distant cousin
not sure i'd want many of the people in my freshman dorm in positions of power tbh
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
The good people I went to school with were amazingly, terrifyingly good
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
just what you want in an attorney general
― j., Tuesday, 8 May 2018 02:29 (five years ago) link
Thor level good or just like Steve Rogers good
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 02:33 (five years ago) link
They should ask Spitzer back
― valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 02:53 (five years ago) link
Georgina Chapman speaks publicly:
https://www.vogue.com/article/georgina-chapman-life-after-harvey-weinstein
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:00 (five years ago) link
how dare u
captain america can lift thor's hammer, the man is practically a saint
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:03 (five years ago) link
is that a spoiler
― gneb farts (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 May 2018 13:06 (five years ago) link