OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

Yes, he's young, but not all young people are writing stuff like this, are they?

most of them are, most of them always have, some of them get better as they, you know, grow up - i'm not denying that it's awful writing but i guess the question for me is, do you not feel your life ebbing away from you with every second you spend contemplating this rote and in no way unusual piece of student hackery? do you have this much spare time?? at this point i'mma take my own advice and exit thread stage left.

Our dominant myths about Art are still Romantic ones: the Artwork is a self-sufficient object, expressing universal truths and the personality of the artist, and has to be grounded in sincere, authentic feelings. Those ideas are still so fundamental (amongst people who think about aesthetics) that most critics have to unlearn them or react against them before they can think about other ways of apprehending music/literature/TV comedy. This isn't exactly a mystery, it's been going on for 200 years.

(b/c you know, if dude ever actually finds this thread, he's just gonna go HURRAH 100-POST THREAD TALKING ABOUT MEEEEE, I HAVE SUCCEEDED)

(ok that's it)

This, totally; what kind of culture are we propagating where these attitudes develop? Why does this guy think this? He's in a band, he's at university, he'd self-identify as 'loving music', he obviously has journalistic ambitions at the same time, and he writes this? Yes, he's young, but not all young people are writing stuff like this, are they?

I don't know if the age of the writer is that important. There are plenty of people twice his age out there who would write/argue the same things so you might as well be arguing with them on the same basis. Expecting all young writers to reject rockism is too (p)optimistic.

<i>I'm still not sure when Cobain was adopted as an indie icon, tbh. When I was a teen, Melody Maker was still all "lol miserable junkie loved by them Kerrang oafs" about him.</i>

Dom, MM *was* pretty much behind early Sub Pop what with all Everett True's coverage and whatnot. I reckon Nirvana were an initially an indie kid thing here before the whole grunge pandemic hit (but I guess you're talking about the period after that).

Oh fuck<i>ng tags.

some of that piece is kind of chuck eddy like

Garrett doesn't call Westlife a bhangra act though, so there are differences.

I'm talking about bands like Feeder, Coldplay and the Stereophonics who have (over time) offered more to music than many of the bands that the NME claim will change your life.

didn't the NME claim that Feeder/Coldplay/Stereophonics will change your life?

i'm drunk, but this guy should be sacked.

That's the kind of management technique that'll see you running in JP Morgan by the time your 31.

Feeder/Coldplay/Stereophonics

I MEAN SRSLY THIS IS LIKE TEH AXIS OF EVIL

he's just gonna go HURRAH 100-POST THREAD TALKING ABOUT MEEEEE, I HAVE SUCCEEDED

I didn't know you went to Exeter.

(xpost oh J4gger's here ding ding ding)

RULE FOUR NOW APPLIES TO ALL BETS IN THREAD

(exp)

Drunk at 3pm = living the dream

Drinking cider from eleven?

Not only do I have plenty of articles google'able online that are humiliating - I still write articles on occasion that are poorly written. So, I sympathize for college-music-writer. Can't we at least go after people who get paid to write poorly?

So we should be gentle because of:
- age? ("but the Arctic Monkeys were only 19 when they..." "Oh, OK then, 10/10")
- experience? ("but it's only their first album ever!" "Oh, OK then, 10/10")

?

There are dedicated threads for them (xpost).

Mordechai OTM

I disagree that student writing is exempt from criticism. One's worldview may not be fully formed by the age of 20, but a journalistic voice should be.

No writing is exempt from criticism, but a college kid getting his footing should be exempt from a 100-post sonning by a bunch of adults.

"adults"

If I was the writer in question I'd be more offended by the insinuation that I wasn't an adult myself.

Burchill started on the NME when she was 17.

Doogie Howser was performing surgery at 18, does this mean I should start a thread about how some high school kid dissected his worm wrong?

Please accept my use fictional character as an appropriate metaphor for real life situations. Haha.

Hang on a tick. This guy is the fucking Music Editor at his university. Not every student is this bloody clueless and illiterate and I'm sure there are gobloads of kids just wishing they could have a go at it (because they wanna write for the NME when they grow up).

There used to be an indie night at the uni I attended where each week they'd play no less than eight Limp Bizkit songs in an evening, and these guys ran the uni radio station. When I asked if I could play one night I got told my style wasn't right. Oh well.

^^^ poor grammar and typos admittedly non-deliberate.

He's not even a real music editor, he's not on the team!

http://www.exepose.ex.ac.uk/team.php

That's last year's team; they've obviously not changed that page yet.

Ah, ok - sorry.

lol u r all intrenet crepes for talkin bout the guy. how long til Dom finds his facebook?

In the next issue: "Pol Pot - His Amazing Journey From Brutal Cambodian Tyrant To Winner Of Britain's Got Talent."

1 person calls us crepes and that's the end of the thread?

This is exactly how nazi Germa... ok maybe it isn't.

that article reads like a GCSE project graded f with only q magazine used for research.

This current teenager yoof bebo generation is even more moronic than 1990s Shed 7 / OCS generation, that dizzy [probably NME reading] blonde on big brother from Bristol, that Exeter Uni Q reading chump, that yesterday's OMM teen issue, NME brit-indie-guitar-rubbish bands everyweek and teenager emo mall kids with fall out boy t-shirts etc etc. Is this the worst generation of kids ever?

Yours in despair, Viktor Martian

I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is.

Tuomas, I'd like to think that, on the other side of Scandanavia, Gier Hongro was simultaneously writing exactly the opposite article.

It's always the worst generation of kids ever when you're not part of it.

Ah yes, the OMM TEEN ISSUE...

There's a picture of a new rave kid in that issue, and he is the twattiest person I have ever seen.

I probably wrote something worse than this when I was in college.

So we should be gentle because of:
- age? ("but the Arctic Monkeys were only 19 when they..." "Oh, OK then, 10/10")
- experience? ("but it's only their first album ever!" "Oh, OK then, 10/10")

?

-- StanM, Monday, June 18, 2007 9:43 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

wow

Nothing wrong with a little constructive criticism obv. but this kid isn't the Arctic Fucking Monkeys. He's writing something for a university paper and he probably only expected it to be read by his fellow students anyway. It's like you guys are tearing apart some local kids' punk band for playing sub-"Greenday" music at their friends' party or something.

Martian you've been warned before about exaggerating the shitness of Shed Seven (at least 3 good songs!).

Just a bit of fun, it's not like we're seriously trying to get this guy to kill himself, you know. (I'm not, at least) (xpost)

i'm hoping to see this sort of thread on ILE

is this the worst fucking picture of a donkey or what? it's by my 5yr old nephew LOL
look at the rubbish typography on this PIZZA FLYER!!!!!!11 rofllz
babies - fucking idiots or what? they can hardly walk, look at their stupid faces!!!!!

plz

never mind the typography there is no excuse for the mind-boggling typos you get on pizza flyers where they have spelled the word correctly in the first two instances but then failed to do so the third time.

esp. when that word is CHEESE

The single most awesome post I ever came acorss on any internet board went like this: "Cows are such WANKERS they don't even RUN if you THROW STICKS at them."

xxxxpost please!! please!!!

maybve one too many x's. that was a reply to alan, not stanm

OWLS ARE ASSHOLES

WITH THEIR BIG FUCKING EYES, WHY NOT HAVE SMALLER EYES? WANKERS.

condemned to repeat myself

things you notice about owls

nick are you joining in the mockery of your own thread?