also known for whining about not winning mvp
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 05:55 (six years ago) link
yeah i mean im not saying he doesnt want it
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:01 (six years ago) link
just think maybe he should be focused on not breaking down in the playoffs again.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 06:04 (six years ago) link
wld be wise for sure
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
not like he cldnt take a game or two off and still win it too
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:06 (six years ago) link
they've got a pretty easy schedule it would be dumb not to sit him against some of those teams
― Clay, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:07 (six years ago) link
also got home court wrapped m/l
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 06:08 (six years ago) link
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html
interesting that the MVP tracker tool on bkref has cp3 and steph 2 and 3 despite all the time they've missed
― k3vin k., Monday, 26 March 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
stephs advanced numbers this year were on par with his unanimous mvp year. dude is shooting nearly 60% from 2p
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 26 March 2018 04:15 (six years ago) link
DPOY and all defense thoughts from pelton:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23032582/2018-nba-all-defense-defensive-player-year-best-picks-position
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 5 April 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
awww i hope dejounte gets chosen!
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 6 April 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
wow al horford right behind dray there huh and he can play center for a whole game if he feels like it and shoots 15% better from three
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2018 00:36 (six years ago) link
still scared of rebounds tho
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 6 April 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
keep in mind we are comparing him to dray here
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2018 00:38 (six years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 5, 2018 8:36 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago)
shooting 3s not really considered part of defense iirc
― k3vin k., Friday, 6 April 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
its part of basketball tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
just a thought but what if the best defense is good offense?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 6 April 2018 02:06 (six years ago) link
so...harden is actually....good at defense?
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 6 April 2018 02:23 (six years ago) link
hey i don't make the laws
― call all destroyer, Friday, 6 April 2018 02:35 (six years ago) link
the laws are the laws
― lag∞n, Friday, 6 April 2018 02:36 (six years ago) link
except wheen they're outlaws. because....then theyre out.
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 6 April 2018 02:37 (six years ago) link
heh
The @cavs 10 games better than the @celtics? Hard to see how that's possible. Let's revisit this in the spring.— Mike Rodman (@MistypedMike) October 13, 2017
― lag∞n, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
seeing lots of parallels between the michell ROY push and derrick rose's MVP tbh
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
there's this guy who's clearly the superior player on both offense and defense, but let's vote for the inefficient high volume scorer on a dominant defensive team
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
wuut mitchell has been absolutely amazing the leading scorer on a team thats won like 30 of 34 or something its crazy, wldnt be surprised if simmons wins tho as philly has gone on a run of their own w embiid out and he obvs has the higher ceiling, theyve both had in some ways unpresidented seasons, in most years what tatums done wld be enough to win it and no ones even talking abt him, fwiw its morally and logically correct to dock simmons points for red shirting
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
simmons has prob caught up to how he wld be playing if he played last year at this point
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
it’s true mitchell has been the leading scorer on a really good team whose biggest strength is their defense, this was essentially the argument for d rose iirc — but simmons has just clearly been better. I’m not a huge fan of the “imagine if these two players switched teams” voting tactic because so much of production is situation dependent, but I mean if these two switched teams I think it’s pretty clear that the sixers would suffer more
pretty much all the stats suggest mitchell is a...nice 21 year old player while simmons is a legit star btw
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
i'd prob vote simmons but that's an undersell of mitchell. if he gets to the line a bit more and gets a little more accurate from 3 he's going to be as good at scoring as any guard in the nba outside the top 4 or so.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
in general and in conjunction with the point I was making about jokic in the reg season thread earlier we are just not very great at using the eye test to weight different basketball skills in assessing a players overall value, players who get buckets are always going to be overvalued and people who do little things and play defense are always going to be relatively undervalued. I think the eye test happens to support simmons anyway and the stats suggest it's not close but things like he's the leading scorer on a good team that sound so intuitively right are hard to people to shake loose
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
mitchell def has the potential to be a star, tho tbh simmons is already there and his ceiling seems to be MVP candidate and in the not too distant future, anyway the discussion is about this year and simmons is the better player
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
creating shots is the single most valuable nba skill u need to put those old musty nerd opinions in storage
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
I agree it's important but being better at it does not mean the player is necessarily better, hence my point about weighting and how we are bad at it
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
hitting home runs is the best thing a baseball player can do but it does not necessarily mean that the guy who hits the most home runs is the best player or even the best hitter, makes u think
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
none of this is to say mitchell hasn't had a sick year, he has, but simmons is way better and we should give the award to the better dude imo
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
i agree that hes been better and will prob win but i think mitchell has been great and also i think simmons shd be disqualified for redshirting
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
this breakdown of defensive positional guarding percentages is super cool: https://public.tableau.com/profile/knarsu3#!/vizhome/DefensivePositions/Dashboard1
Check out Ben Simmons
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 9 April 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
ha yeah pretty evenly distributed as you might expect
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
lowe's opinionshttp://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23107445/zach-lowe-2017-18-picks-nba-mvp-defensive-player-year-rookie-year-more-awards
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
hard to argue with any of those picks, tho I’m agnostic on coach of the year
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
I’m more and more convinced that an MVP vote for lebron is basically indefensible.
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
lowe’s love of raw plus-minus stats but not adjusted plus-minus stats bugs me tho lol
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
i'm disinclined to reward any of the coaches that ended up in the 3-8 western conference mess with a CoY vote.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
I just don’t think we know enough about coaching value and voting on it is silly
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
Golliver's povhttps://www.si.com/nba/2018/04/11/2017-18-nba-awards-cavaliers-rockets-lebron-james-harden-ben-simmons
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
most of these awards are dumb but COY seems the dumbest behind MIP
My defense of a lebron vote would be solely that he is still great and it would be a make up award for some previous years
I wouldn’t actually vote for him though with harden existing this year
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
Having to completely remake lebrons custom built team around him midstream is also a serious strike against any real mvp candidacy too as lowe goes into extensively
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
he was prob the worst defender in the league this year
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
Aw cmon that’s not true
He was the worst defender in the league for like six weeks tops
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
i understand conserving yr energy but i feel like he cldve balanced it a lil better between offense and defense
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
dejounte!!!
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:09 (five years ago) link
al shdve been first team
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:17 (five years ago) link
ALL NBAhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-zN6-VMAAjELY.jpg
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
Lillard first team O__o
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
these, wld not be my lists lol
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
mine wld just be 15 marcus smarts
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
On the bright side, we don’t have to hear about Dame not getting any respect ever again.— A.K ⚖️ (@Kungu_NBA) May 24, 2018
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
don't understand how KAT could make it after the year he's had.
who's out here voting for TREVOR ARIZA for all-nba?
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:49 (five years ago) link