lol wait, Van Jones?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
I wasn't aware Gillibrand had a "brand with a lot of lefties" who would care that she inevitably endorsed Cuomo.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
Didn't Van Jones get harangued out of the Obama admin early on for some reason right wing media drummed up? I'm sure they'd love to use it again, whatever it was.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
I'll be curious to see if any major dems endorse Nixon xp
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Yes. He's also been on an 18-month Trumplandia listening tour that's won him a bit of an audience there.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
re Van - i think he flirted with 9/11 trutherism or something?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
well i mean he had that great moment on the night of the election when he was arguing with lewandoski. but then there's this
When I say #NeverTrump, I don't mean THIS Trump. #NerdProm #WHCD #cnn @cnn @EricTrump pic.twitter.com/k7eZyteJUQ— Van Jones (@VanJones68) May 1, 2016
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
oof
― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:28 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk i thought i'd seen her touted (along with harris) as a possible candidate to appeal to both the sanders and clinton contingents?
― gbx, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
unrelated, but: gillibrand endorsing cuomo has prob tarnished her uh brand with a lot of lefties
― gbx, Thursday, March 22, 2018 1:21 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I found this disappointing but it doesn't significantly change how I feel about her as a potential candidate. if a lot of people view something this small-potatoes as a dealbreaker then I'm going to go ahead and wager on four more years of Trump.
― evol j, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
fwiw I haven't actually *seen* anyone dismiss her offhand over the Cuomo thing
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
and yes esp since Warren has said repeatedly she's not running a lot of people seem to have their hopes pinned to her
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
The timing of Gillibrand’s endorsement coming so close after Nixon’s announcement lends credence to Johnny Fever’s point, imo. Like “let’s get this over with ASAP and that way at least his office won’t be bothering us five times a day about it”
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
anyone who's followed Gillibrand closely since she ascended to the Senate knows that her moves "left" were just, um, reGillibranding
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
candidates who can opportunistically pivot left >>> inflexible centrists
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Yes, he's weirdly, maybe even suspiciously Trumpy. A potentially rose-colored take is that he's just seeking to understand/empathize with the other side in the service of understanding how to win them over/back, on his or someone else's behalf.
My attitude has basically always been fuck 'em, the reachable ones, many of whom are low-info voters inchoately voting for whatever's different, have four years to and will figure this out on their own in numbers sufficient to reverse the marginal deficits, something there's pretty good evidence they're doing - http://americancommunities.org/2018/03/for-trump-and-the-gop-warning-signs-in-the-middle-suburbs/.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:37 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i saw some tweets about it but, you know, tweets
― gbx, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
― gbx, Thursday, March 22, 2018 5:35 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm sure there's a small cohort of mostly young people who preferred Sanders to Clinton and might find Gillibrand or Harris an attractive compromise, but whoever's touting that likely has a pretty different notion of what their respective 'contingents' are than I do, and the person they're looking for, if they exist, is Warren.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
For the fantasists - http://observer.com/2017/02/kirsten-gillibrand-andrew-cuomo-president-2020/
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
People will get over it probably.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
Garcetti is probably just trying to raise his profile.. lefties in LA hate his damn guts because of the olympics and the festering sore that is our homeless problem. A problem that apparently doesn't need the mayor to be in town to deal with, since he's never here anymore.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
Garcetti is very likely running for President.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
A lot of those 'middle counties' incidentally are 'worst shithole of a (not-quite-)major American city' or at least biggest-city-population-loss counties of the mostly-rust belt: Indy, Cincy, Cleveland, Detroit, and Pittsburgh burbs, Youngstown, Flint, Saginaw, Gary, Hammond, Akron, Canton, Dayton, Lima, Peoria, Rockford, St. Joseph, Quad cities, Green Bay, Oshkosh, South Bend, Evansville, Terre Haute, Jackson MI, Wheeling, Scranton-Wilkes Barre, Atlantic City, Reading, Hagerstown, York PA, Huntington and Parkersburg WV, Edwardsville IL, etc.
could have put the etc a lot earlier tbh
― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
or added "I've been everywhere, man!"
― lol dis stance dunk (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 22 March 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
^^^ irl lol, kudos
― No energy, only great chaos (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 22 March 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
They say the heart of rock and roll is still beatin, in Cleveland, Detroit, Hagerstown, Pakersburg, Edwardsville....
― I leprecan't even. (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 22 March 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
― mh, Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:29 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
They all look the same to you, huh.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
if they're all unique and notable for different reasons, please continue the list
― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
I stopped roughly where they stopped being at least personally interesting
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
can't think of this guy without thinking of this guy: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/The_Wire_Carcetti.jpg/220px-The_Wire_Carcetti.jpg
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
Though I also omitted Gretna as a non-regional outlier
i know he was based on O'Malley, but Eric seems to fit that profile even more
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
Y'all generally have to explain your television references to me, though the O'Malley cite did the trick.
I knew Garcetti was going to be a much bigger name down the road when I almost literally ran into him six years ago, but thought it would probably take a bit longer for him to run for Prez. I'm not sure to what degree he's more scintillating than O'Malley, but he's definitely less of a weirdo.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
oh, to literally run into you
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
Ok, Joe Biden.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
I'll make sure to say hello next time.
xp but do you really think anyone who does not live in new york city is going to give a statistically measurable shit about gillibrand endorsing cuomo
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
everyone's just writing in "bernie" this time anyway, right?
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 22 March 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
a senator endorsing a 2-time guv from her own party = predictable as sunrise
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 March 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/22/trump-vs-biden-who-would-win-217698
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 23 March 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
hopefully neither lives that long
― Simon H., Friday, 23 March 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
Real commitment to the collective there.
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 23 March 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link
The article fails to note the female cheers that greeted the line.
Were these cheering females of german ancestry by any chance? Then we'd have something to sink our teeth into.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 March 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link
No Mr. Bus Driver, are you?
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 23 March 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
dunno what you mean by that but Aimless actually was a bus driver for a time iirc
― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
No
Are you absolutely sure of that? Because the exact demographics these female cheers represent are potentially revelatory. Sure, we've established they are female, but there are approximately 170,000,000 females in the USA and they don't vote as a monolithic bloc, so we'll have to dig deeper than that to get to their true significance.
are you?
According to legend, yes. It's partly german, partly irish, plus some northern European odds and ends. Why is that important?
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
dunno what you mean by that
― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, March 23, 2018 4:00 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I hoped someone was old enough to get the reference
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 23 March 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
Aimless actually was a bus driver for a time
Correct. I spent five years transporting our nation's most precious resource (to coin a phrase) to and from school. It was a job.
You could probably make a guess and land within a few feet of what he meant.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link