Dynasty, s3: Canadian Politics 2018

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To be fair, we haven't had anything as spectacular as, say, Roy Moore vs. Doug Jones (let's keep it that way).

pomenitul, Monday, 19 March 2018 13:33 (six years ago) link

We also have yet to face a true, national economic crisis (for quite a while, anyway). when that inevitably happens we'll prove just how reactionary we can get.

Simon H., Monday, 19 March 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link

If ever there was a leader born to be brought down by sudden, roiling instability their approach is utterly insufficient in the face of, it's JT.

Simon H., Monday, 19 March 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link

I’ve been in Canada for nearly four years and one major difference from the US is not having a two-party system really changes the flavor and intensity of politics.

rob, Monday, 19 March 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link

Simon, I'm of a pessimistic nature, to say the least, but I can't help but see such statements as wishful eschatological thinking on the part of the left no less than the right, both of which seek the 'I told you so!' moment a crisis would inevitably impel. At the back of my mind, I am always comparing Canada's situation with that of my country of origin (Romania). We could be doing far better, no question about it, but we could also be doing, far, far worse. Although JT is mediocre in many ways, I'll take Canadian mediocrity over its equivalents almost everywhere else in the world, especially right now.

(With sea level as a baseline, the Mariana Trench's abyssal depth trumps Mt. Everest's height.)

pomenitul, Monday, 19 March 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link

I didn't mean my statement to come off as optimistic!

Simon H., Monday, 19 March 2018 14:02 (six years ago) link

All I'm saying is, our relatively comfy political spectrum hasn't faced a truly dire test in quite a while.

Simon H., Monday, 19 March 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link

For sure. And I've no doubt we'll see some truly ugly racist/sexist/homophobic, etc. bullshit come out of the woodwork when that happens (and it will, as no country is ever completely exempt). Harper and his cronies flirted with it a fair amount when they were in power and we'll probably get a foretaste of its return here in Quebec once the CAQ gets elected (they're outperforming everyone in the polls).

pomenitul, Monday, 19 March 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link

The feud between BC NDP and Alberta NDP is a testament to how different politics is done in every province, despite even having the same party name

F# A# (∞), Monday, 19 March 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link

I think so, yes. My impression is that we all experience pretty extreme political alienation from each other. Whereas in the States, there's a sense of triumph among progressives when progressives triumph in local elections even in distant states. (If I'm wrong on either point, lurkers, please feel free to disabuse me of either statement.)

Interesting. I usually feel the opposite: that the differences between states in the US are greater than the differences between (especially English) Canadian provinces. I don't really get much of an impression that people in Massachusetts give two shits about what happens at the state level in, say, the Dakotas or Tennessee, or could even name the Governor of Missouri. (I can't.) NB that Roy Moore vs Doug Jones was a contest for a federal Senate seat, not a state-level race. I do think that even moderately politically engaged people in Ontario would pay attention to a scandal-ridden federal byelection in Nova Scotia, or a controversy involving a PEI Senator (as we saw with Duffy).

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 19 March 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link

(Compare state-level Republicans in MA with state-level Republicans in Kansas or Wisconsin, btw!)

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 19 March 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link

Putting Hydro One back under public ownership is the most exciting thing in that ONDP list for me. The Left Chapter pokes some holes in the pharmacare and dental care proposals, while pointing out (correctly imo) that "[t]he Liberals have delivered some significant reforms that impact on the lives of people in very direct ways"; I'm not convinced I trust the ONDP to do that much better.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 19 March 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link

yeah the provincial Libs have outflanked them for a while and I don't think Howarth has what it takes to bring skeptical voters onside

Simon H., Monday, 19 March 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link

i pay attention and have (sometimes poorly informed) rooting interests in politics in other provinces. I was really excited when Notley won, and still think she is by far a better Premier for Alberta than the alternatives, even though she has threatened to cut off my oil. I was happy about the Fords losing the mayoralty and Pauline Marois losing in Quebec

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Monday, 19 March 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link

In a properly functioning parliamentary democracy, it would probably be considered an abuse of power to use a Throne Speech to launch an election campaign. That's definitely the kind of complaint we heard a lot of from L/liberals during the Harper era. #ThroneSpeech #ONpoli

— Luke Savage (@LukewSavage) March 20, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 March 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link

I'll have more to say on the Sikh terrorism issue soon but I'll just note as an aside that Jaspreet Singh's Helium is a really good (Canadian) novel that deals with the 1984 anti-Sikh pogroms, if anyone doesn't know it.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 03:50 (six years ago) link

yeah I was curious what you thought of the piece, it improved my extremely lacking knowledge of the history by about 1000%

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 04:14 (six years ago) link

In short, a lot of it seems correct (although I can't say for sure about all of it). However, I also wouldn't really be on board with federal party leaders wearing Che Guevara T-shirts or speaking at events in front of pictures of, idk, Eldridge Cleaver or the Baader-Meinhof gang or someone? If a British politician were to speak at a pro-Quebec separatism rally where people were big-upping the FLQ, I would consider that a diplomatic issue, at the least, and it would be pretty insensitive to James Cross's family. I never thought that this was a matter of Canadian politicians getting involved with actual current terrorist violence and was surprised that anyone saw it that way.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:05 (six years ago) link

I'd let it slide If Niki Ashton wore a Che Guevara T-shirt as a student, though, because that would be adorable.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link

I learned a lot from the article too, btw, so thanks!

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:11 (six years ago) link

so the NDP and Lib proposals for Ontario seem awfully similar huh? feel like the NDP got outflanked again.

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:18 (six years ago) link

I've never voted Liberal federally, and might have hated Chrétien/Martin more than I ever hated Harper, but I've thought for a while that the Ontario Liberals are ideologically closer to the NDP in other provinces. I definitely don't think of them as equivalent to the BC or Quebec Liberals. I'm usually not a proponent of the idea but I'm considering that it might be time for Ontario Liberals and NDP to come up with a way to work together in this election?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link

I've thought for a while that the Ontario Liberals are ideologically closer to the NDP in other provinces.

I mean, it's a an idle thought I have at times and they can sometimes be all over the map. Their record with civil liberties regarding the G20 protests made me want to swear them off for good and I'll look at the Green (my 2014 vote) and NDP platforms. Still, they've tried some legitimately bold and progressive things with some consistency over the last 15 years.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link

this seems cool, meanwhile

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arms-deal-1.4579772

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 March 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

yeah, could you even imagine what it would be like if we had a PM who associated with violent extremists

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

would be really hard to respect a leader like that

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

Ha. Now, I don't necessarily take issue with a federal party leader getting arrested for blocking pipeline construction: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/anti-pipeline-protest-elizabeth-may-kennedy-stewart-1.4587631

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 23 March 2018 23:31 (six years ago) link

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-cross-purposes-the-battle-for-christianity-in-canada/

(m1ch431 c0r3n in case this triggers anything in you)

While in Catholic circles, a belief in intellectual excellence still exists (although it’s far stronger among Jesuits and Dominicans), evangelical culture has retreated from the world – and, perhaps more disturbingly, is working to erect a parallel one that is run according to its own laws and logic. Which is why we see a new wave of Christian high schools and colleges, and the inevitable debates. Witness the battle between Trinity Western University in Langley, B.C. and various law societies over that Christian college’s desire to start a law school whose students must agree to forgo sexual intimacy outside of heterosexual marriage.

Or take the example of the Trudeau government’s decision to require groups seeking funding for the Summer Jobs Program to affirm their respect for a woman’s right to choose. The decision went to the epicentre of the church-state relationship (while also, it’s worth noting, making small-l liberal Christians feel almost anonymous). An attempt to prevent tax dollars ending up in the hands of extreme anti-abortion groups was clumsily handled by the government, and thus played into the persecution complex so relished by the Christian right.

What wasn’t made clear by those complaining of being victims of liberal “discrimination” was that many of these same people would be the first to refuse to hire openly gay students – or even straight students living with a partner to whom they are not married. It all seems so ugly, and lacking in the gentleness demanded by the rebel Jesus.

Indeed, perhaps nowhere is the modern-day Kulturkampf more pronounced than on the issue of abortion, a litmus test on which Catholics and evangelicals have forged a common ground against all liberal comers. It is a tragic intransigence, because here is an area where common ground is not only possible, but desirable.

All Christians, and most people for that matter, would like to see abortion rates decline. That could be achieved, and has been achieved, by making contraceptives readily available, by insisting on modern sex education in schools, by reducing poverty, by funding public daycare and by empowering women more generally.

And yet, Catholics insist on remaining opposed to “artificial contraceptives” and, alongside their Protestant allies, lead the campaign against frank and healthy sex education, while framing state-funded day care as an attack on the family and a form of social engineering. As for abortion itself, the Christian right wants it defunded, and ultimately – however much they may deny this publicly – banned and criminalized.

For, make no mistake: Such ideological tussles are anything but abstract debates about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The Halton Catholic District School Board, west of Toronto, last month passed a motion that bans it from facilitating financial donations to charities that support, “either directly or indirectly, abortion, contraception, sterilization, euthanasia, or embryonic stem-cell research.” Under the ban, the Hospital for Sick Children, the United Way and Doctors Without Borders would become charities non grata.

Indeed, for many Catholics, the loathing of abortion, no matter the circumstances, trumps even the most basic of Christian virtues. In 2015, in The Prairie Messenger, a Catholic newspaper in Western Canada, I wrote supportively about a 10-year-old Paraguayan girl who had been denied an abortion after being raped by her stepfather. I was promptly fired (albeit amid profuse apologies from my editor, who cited external pressure). Which in turn prompted Lifesite, the Canadian anti-abortion movement’s most prominent media platform – and one of the most influential conservative Christian sites in the world – to announce that they were “glad that the Prairie Messenger will no longer be a mouthpiece for Coren’s misplaced notions of compassion and love.”

Imagine: compassion and love for a pregnant 10-year-old having no place at the Christian table.

And yet, who is welcome at that table? Donald Trump, a man who lies on a near daily basis, who has given comfort to racist thugs, who has admitted to sexual assault and is by all accounts an adulterer. As with Christians in the United States, conservative believers in Canada are more than happy to defend the man.

And why not, they ask. He opposes a woman’s right to choose (after years of claiming otherwise), has fired every member of the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS, has renewed his call to ban transgender citizens from serving their country in the U.S. military and has promised to vigorously appoint “pro-life judges.” To a number of his religious supporters, he is a new Constantine, the deeply flawed emperor who allowed Christianity to flourish in ancient Rome: As Mr. Trump proudly champions all that is selfish and mean, these Christians accuse his opponents of being “demonic.”

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In any case, defending life is a complicated affair. As the Benedictine nun Sister Joan Chittister has said: “I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth.”

Or what of Christians who would deny equality to LGBTQ2 people – in a world where homophobia leads to persecution, family rejection, self-harm and even suicide? It’s another of those subjects that, while of concern to Christians on both sides of the aisle, is hardly touched on in the Bible. The Genesis story of Sodom and Gomorrah is less about homosexuality than about hospitality – protecting one’s guests and neighbours, and loving God rather than oneself. Remember, it features Lot offering up his teenage daughters to a rape mob in place of his angelic guests! Hardly family values.

When the Hebrew Scriptures – the Old Testament – do speak of homosexuality, it is condemned with other transgressions such as combining different cloths, eating the wrong foods and having sex with a woman when she is menstruating. As for St. Paul’s rejection of homosexuality in the New Testament, it is concerned with straight men using boys, usually young teenagers, for loveless sex, a practice common in Greek and Roman culture. And while Jesus doesn’t speak of the subject, it’s worth rereading his affirming and loving response to a Roman centurion who cares deeply for his slave. Many theologians are convinced that this is an account of a gay partnership.

The progressive Christian approach is to understand Biblical teaching through the prism of love, to regard the Bible as a living document that on certain subjects speaks differently to different ages. It is to acknowledge that the writers of the Old Testament knew little if anything of committed, loving same-sex relationships. As Ms. Helwig notes, “The radical left theological tradition, which goes much further back in Christian history” imparts a message of deep humanity, one in which “we don’t need to be afraid of the ‘other’ or, finally, of God, that God is constantly drawing us all into the vast mystery of love, and that we are, despite our many human failures, deeply, existentially safe. So we can be vulnerable, and open, and comfortable with difference and uncertainty.”

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That wonder is troubling for the complacent, who want their faith neatly packaged in catechismal certainty. But being born again is not the same as being born yesterday, and questioning is not the same as doubting. As scientific knowledge expands and public attitudes change, Christianity today must either respond intelligently and constructively, or retreat into an ever-shrinking, more hostile ghetto.

For Canadian Christians (and here, it is not solely the conservative among them) the newest battle front is assisted dying or, as opponents prefer to call it, euthanasia. Unlike abortion and homosexuality, this is more a work in progress, a conundrum whose resolution is still undecided for many people. Not for all, however.

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To liberal Christians, it seemed that once again those on the right of the church care most about people just before they are born, and just before they die. In between, not so much. In the process, those conservatives betray their indifference to economic systems that exacerbate suffering across the lion’s share of our time here on Earth.

There was a time when Christian social conservatives in Canada held to an economic gospel, when they were prepared to believe that the desire for more socialistic policies was compatible with conservative views on life and sexuality. Like so much that involves benevolence and mercy, that position has been largely suffocated. As Protestant evangelicals and conservative Catholics rally round right-wing politicians, they trade away kindness and generosity in exchange for a guarantee that Canada’s legislatures will call a halt to social progress.

Canadian Christianity is bisected, and – as the absolute numbers attest – in trouble. And while no faith should be measured exclusively by its headcount, without worshippers, there is no community, no money and, for that matter, no church.

The coming years will see a new generation of believers assuming positions of influence and authority in our churches and in our society. Those leaders will have the option of building walls or building bridges, of extending the circle so as to include as many people as possible or standing at the corners of their creeds and repelling all they see as a threat. Of lending a hand to the marginalized and needy, or withdrawing it once and for all.

James E. Wallis Jr. is a Christian writer and political activist, best known as the founder and editor of Sojourners magazine, a journal of the evangelical left. He writes: “Two of the greatest hungers in our world today are the hunger for spirituality and the hunger for social change. The connection between the two is the one the world is waiting for, especially the new generation. And the first hunger will empower the second.”

Whether Canadian Christians will listen to Mr. Wallis – or, for that matter, to Jesus Christ – remains to be seen. Their decision will influence all of us, whatever our faith or lack thereof.

And it will determine whether our houses of worship, and our houses of politics, are places of division and discord – or living rooms where love is always welcome and compassion finds a home.

F# A# (∞), Friday, 30 March 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Interesting. I usually feel the opposite: that the differences between states in the US are greater than the differences between (especially English) Canadian provinces. I don't really get much of an impression that people in Massachusetts give two shits about what happens at the state level in, say, the Dakotas or Tennessee, or could even name the Governor of Missouri. (I can't.) NB that Roy Moore vs Doug Jones was a contest for a federal Senate seat, not a state-level race. I do think that even moderately politically engaged people in Ontario would pay attention to a scandal-ridden federal byelection in Nova Scotia, or a controversy involving a PEI Senator (as we saw with Duffy).

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, March 19, 2018 7:55 AM (four weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was thinking about this while reading this:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-unveils-bill-that-could-wreak-havoc-on-b-c-gas-prices-in-trade-war-1.4622165

do ontarians care what's going on between bc and alberta?

nytimes covers the entire country the way cbc does, while each one focuses on their own state's and province's major city

i don't think toronto cares what happens in the prairies or even know what living in saskatchewan is like

whereas in the states, it feels like los angeles, new york, miami, chicago, and maybe even seattle and portland, are all aware of what is generally going on in those cities because they are all trying to push forward a more progressive society

it's also funny because most of my vancouver friends think toronto still thinks it represents canada, and even by the way people post on here, it definitely looks like that

F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link

I care! And, wow, this is nuts: interprovincial trade war??

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link

good breakdown of that issue + likely outcomes

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156189465332822&id=516917821

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link

i have really no hope for this country politically.

trade war will possibly destroy this provincial gov - or at least assure it's a one term thing. BC Liberals will be back in. Alberta will vote provincial NDP out next year for sure, conservatives back in forever there. Liberals may well lose to the Tories in the next federal election - they're ahead in current polling.

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link

And locally - Vancouver's centre and left may well vote split in the municipal elections this year and we could have an NPA city hall.

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link

Don't forget Ford Nation

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link

oh yeah totally, that's bound to happen!

kill me now

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link

I think Carr has a really good chance for mayor if she runs, none of the NPA candidates seem like much

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link

there's bound to be a vision adjacent candidate and a left candidate in addition to Carr - if she runs - surely?

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link

I also really think Trudeau will be PM forever, for better or for worse. He's up in some polls now, and the Cons have a difficult electoral map unless they show some ability to break into Canada's three largest cities. The LIbs should be able to at least get a minority gov't.

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link

I also really think Trudeau will be PM forever, for better or for worse.

...barring a major scandal or a significant economic downturn, neither of which I would rule out.

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link

Yeah I guess Sylvester is the Vision-affiliated "independent," and maybe COPE will run a mayor too...but nobody approaches Carr's record or name recognition, and I doubt the COPE brand means much these days. I think she can win votes from Westside NIMBYs as well as the left.

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link

yeah that's what it took to get the Liberals out last time xp

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link

I am not too thrilled about any of the apparent choices for mayor, I might just leave that ballot blank and just vote for council

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link

xps. ok, good info, bud. you're talking me off the ledge here lol

I'm thinking a COPEish person like Jean Swanson, a Vision affiliated independent, and possibly OneCity fielding a candidate, plus the Greens obv. There's no way in that situation I see a good outcome

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link

Totally understand having no hope for this country politically speaking. Trudeau's a mess but he can hold on. I doubt the BC Liberals will return soon. We have a winnable electoral reform referendum. And I'm hopeful about Vancouver. There will not be more than one candidate for mayor left of Vision. It's going to be either Carr or someone who has not yet declared and has barely been mentioned yet. The NPA are not looking good imo. These density bros think they can win via social media but their base has nothing to do with Twitter and will recoil with horror at talk of rezoning west of Granville.

everything, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link

Sorry was going to put "But" at the start of my second sentence.

everything, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link

good breakdown of that issue + likely outcomes

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156189465332822&id=516917821

This is clearly coming from one ideological perspective but it is still helpful. I get that Notley is Premier of Alberta and is not going to actively sabotage her province's main industry but I had been confused about why she and the Alberta NDP are this aggressively invested in getting a pipeline built. If it's true that capital ("oil barons") had been threatening to strike if the NDP increased their royalties, I wonder what would have happened if the NDP just called their bluff and went ahead. Surely the only reason they were doing business in AB in the first place was because it was extremely profitable for them (even with a modest increase in taxes and/or royalties), which they would miss out on if they pulled out altogether.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link

yeah I mean obviously he's a comrade and all but I think the predictions for how this plays out are pretty sound

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link

Jean Swanson isn't running for mayor (unfortunately). I really doubt OneCity will. I'm glad the continued success of some nominally left neoliberal government can get you off the ledge! It is better than the alternative, despite everything

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link


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