doh i just posted about this in the other election thrad
― joe 40oz (deej), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm sure they prepare for every eventuality, including the variable of 'the moderator' -- you think the campaigns leave this up to chance?
― playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
You alluded to the same thing above, Elmo! I mean, the entire appeal of Palin rests in her being relatable to many folks, and when people see someone they relate to being jumped on by a career politician, whose side do you think they gravitate to? (Hence, like I said, Biden's job is to assist Palin in failing, not to jump out and MAKE her fail.)
― nabisco, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
someone photoshop "I'll there with you" Jesus over Sarah Palin.
― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't mean biden has to come at her swinging -- he can afford to pull his punches, only a little bit -- but if he is seen as not engaging her at all, i think it presents a worse outcome for him
― playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Palin's "I think I was in second grade when we heard Biden say that" comment wasn't really a smart thing to say on her behalf, to put it mildly. If any memorably punch lands on Palin, this comment by her will likely be the catalyst.
― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Pailn will come out OKish, but given many peoples low expectations it will be a seen as a victory.
A debate is different from an interview, she's good at debates. She doesn't debate on issues but on crowd pleasing homilies. She, like Regan, isn't a facts and stats politician.
see: http://www.alternet.org/election08/101011/i%27ve_debated_sarah_palin_more_than_20_times_--_here%27s_what_it%27s_like/
Palins announcements only really get turned into a damaging 'you tube moment' jumble when under pressure, for instance the Couric newspaper questions had to get asked three times. Go back to the other flubs and you'll see it when the question has to be repeated because she gave a non-answer.
However, in a debate you can't press like that, and it looks like Biden has been especially warned not to press.
She wont mess up if not pressed.She may give bland non answers but she wont do the really damaging stuff. Unless Biden takes the risk of looking like a bully and presses hard. He needs to especially do this if Palin goes negative like her communnity organiser comments, he absolutely needs to call her out for that, no matter how she says it with a cutesy smile and a mannered 'you know'.
One difference in the debate winning tactics is that, unlike the Alaska ones mentioned in the article linked to above, these will be replayed and re-examined. This is the first You Tube election, if she flubs in a way that wouldn't have mattered much in previous years, it will be all over the net and it will be the clip of that flub we'll all be watching over and over.
― Sandy Blair, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
"all respect to 538, but preparing for a specific moderator seems like a dumb idea to begin with."
Uh no, it's a very smart idea.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link
"She wont mess up if not pressed."
uh what?
― playing the abortion card (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link
otm otm otm
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link
He shouldn't ignore her, jeez no one is saying that.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't think Palin will let him (or anybody really) ignore her.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Kathleen Parker gets letters
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
"I will not be . . . ignored . . ."
http:/✧✧✧.hostingp✧✧✧.c✧✧✧@michelletackab✧✧✧.n✧✧/blog/images/closelamp.jpg
― Oh my god pink flamingoes (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I do like this part:
"Let Sarah be Sarah" has become the latest rallying cry among my colleagues on the right. She'll be fine if we just leave her alone, they say. Between prayers, I might add.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Schadenfreude:
Readers have every right to reject my opinion. But when we decide that a person is a traitor and should die for having an opinion different from one's own, we cross into territory that puts all freedoms at risk. (I hear you, Dixie Chicks.)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link
max, Shakey and Rock Hardy all said it on this thread.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Everyone should step away from this thread, get good and hammered tomorrow night, and return.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link
hello i have been sent the best gif ever
http://i36.tinypic.com/53p6xf.gif
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Sigh, okay no one who actually has the slightest say in how Biden might behave (or the faintest idea about how debate dynamics work) is saying that.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:43 (fifteen years ago) link
JW that gif is highly offensive and is embarrassing to all americans of either party and also to me personally embarrassing due to copious and also high-volume roffles attracting unwanted coworker attention.
― rogermexico., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
"best" = dumb, irritating, deeply unfunny?
― nabisco, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
rollseyes.jpg i didnt say he should ignore her, but if its important for me to be wrong, wv, rollseyes.jpg
― Barack HUSSEIN Obama (max), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I believe I have been "misinterpretated"
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link
guys this is a dumb argument. lol palin.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
biden should wear this shirt to the debatehttp://www.bigdogs.com/images/products/family/t2839.jpg
― joe 40oz (deej), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link
this gif is basically "lol stereotypes" right
― ○◙i shine cuz i genital grind◙○ (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Basically.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Biden should debate McCain in absentia rather than engage much with her.
This is not QUITE saying he should ignore her. I think Biden should debate McCain, his record and policies (via Mac's onstage proxy, Palin), not engage with Palin directly on what she knows or doesn't know, what she reads or doesn't read.
― Radiant Flowering Crab (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link
ok deej that is the best shirt ever
― Peter Cetera (Euler), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I should have blamed Alfred for the "ignore her" argument.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.
― goole, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
It's the dog that makes the shirt.
― David R., Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
you didn't know jw finds racism funny?
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
you wear a Phish hat
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
less Phish more Big Dogs
holy fuck that shirt is cracking me up
― Peter Cetera (Euler), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
if Biden wore that tomorrow night, I'd marry him
― Peter Cetera (Euler), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
biden just has to come across as smart and engaging and substantive
.333 ain't bad.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Don't be sad.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
no i wear a fish hat
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-10-01-2903921607_1154fbcacb.jpg
THIS ONE TIME, AT DEBATE CAMP
― da croupier, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link
i've been in that dude's house
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Only anti-semitism
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Hope springs eternal:
Rich (Lowry):
I'm listening to Sarah Palin on Hannity right now and I've never heard her sound more sure and in command. Tomorrow just might turn out to me a nice surprise...
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Does it sound anything like this?
http://www.palinparrot.com/?question=Are+you+crazy%3F
DIY Palin Interview Generator
― jane hussein lane (suzy), Wednesday, 1 October 2008 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Gov. Palin is an amazing women. I am so over hearing about how scared she is during interviews and how little she knows about certain issues. I think most people would be a little nervous if Katie Couric was asking the same questions over and over. I also would like to say, cover someone''s eyes and ask them what shirt they have on. Chances are, they will stumble and have a hard time remembering. So what if she did''t NAME a specific news source. Sarah Palin BELIEVES what she believes. She KNOWS what she knows. She may not know EVERYTHING but I think she''s intelligent enough to catch up pretty quick. She is non-judgemental. It''s obvious. She''s real. Thats more than I can say for most people, people NOT trying to get your vote. Give her a break.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 October 2008 12:00 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pew/20081002/ts_pew/37readyondayone
― gabbneb, Thursday, 2 October 2008 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link
At what time is this thing on tonight? And does anybody know an interweb stream of it or similar? Am seriously considering staying or getting up to watch it...
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 2 October 2008 12:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i believe it's 2am london time
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 October 2008 12:19 (fifteen years ago) link
T, I'm not sure whether DPM should take the form of bullshit BINGO or the standard key phrases chugger special.
― jane hussein lane (suzy), Thursday, 2 October 2008 12:24 (fifteen years ago) link