The Great ILX Gun Control Debate

yeah I think that's one of the drivers. LOTS of sporting goods stores sell guns

I encountered my first "woke" pro gun argument when I made a comment in support of the school walkout in an instagram post. I quickly got a couple of guys saying "leftists are pro gun" and when I said that didn't include me I got accused of being a pro-cop, pro-state fascist. "Why are you trying to keep guns out of the hands of marginalized communities who need them to protect themselves?" "I guess your white privilege allows you to feel like it's ok to let oppressed people get wiped out" and so on, followed by a very condescending lesson on the Black Panthers and AIM. "Just because you may be personally against guns, please don't stop others from seeking out solutions in the desparate fight against white supremacy."

What I ultimately came to realize after a bit of back and forth is that the mentality was exactly the same as the "we need guns to fight the government" crowd, just from a different political bent. It did give me pause, if only to consider something I honestly had not thought of previously. Despite it all, I remain highly skeptical, to say the least, of the wisdom of private citizens maintaining their own arsenals, regardless of their politics.

Honestly I don't know what to make of it.

― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:11 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago

you made all that needs to be made of it -- it's a patently ridiculous position. your comparison to fantasy militia types is apt

38,441 supermarkets (2016)
14,146 McDonald's (2016)
13,930 Starbucks (2017)

have this queued up: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/04/05/guns-bang-for-the-buck/

Dragonman's oft-stated argument boils down to this: He doesn't control what people do with the weapons once they leave Dragonland any more than the soda company controls how much soda you drink, or the cigarette company controls the cigarettes you smoke.

"Well, if you get cancer, it's not their fault," he says.

Yes, all that matters is whether it's his fault or not. Never mind the consequences to other people.

https://www.trashtalktv.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1-Bag-o-glass.jpg

what do gun people think about grenades and bazookas? They cool with them?

honestly I bring up this argument a lot and people seem to blow right past it. the amusing part is that these are the same people who keep saying "actually, automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned" (even though I never say an AR-15 is an automatic weapon), because then I get to ask "Why?? Why are they banned? Because they're too deadly? Then why didn't the Vegas shooter get one? Or the guy in Orlando? Or Parkland?"

because, you know, they're criminals, and criminals will always break the law no matter what

the woke gun nut guy referred me to the Pink Pistols, a gun group who "Strive to be anti racist, feminist, intersectional & free of that masculine BS in contemporary US gun culture".

So I had a look and I gotta tell ya I feel like I've heard this one before.

“No matter what kinds of weapons Mr. Paddock had. No matter how many he had. No matter the sizes of the magazines, the caliber of the bullets, the color of the guns, or the style or design, the guns had no choice, for guns are not living creatures. A gun cannot choose to refuse to fire if the action is illegal. They’re just machines. I hate having to defend inanimate objects yet again, but I know that once again they will be low-hanging fruit for those who project their anger and fear onto them.”

I guess it really is a mental health issue! Glad to clear it up!

most pithy response I've heard to that is: Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Which is why we should try to keep guns out of people's hands.

it's not hard to follow, that's for sure

"Why?? Why are they banned? Because they're too deadly?

Comes down to there being a certain level of carnage that these people are ok with allowing citizens to have the ability to unleash, presumably largely as a result of how our society has normalized it. "Nukes don't kill people. People kill people" just sounds absolutely absurd.

Just curious, what is our collective success rate in arguing people away from pro-NRA/pro-gun stances with the elegance of our logic and rhetoric?

so far, 3.5% of arguments resulted in the gun-owner surrendering their weapons and apologizing, but 1.2% ended with the gun-owner getting angry and firing the weapon, so it's a wash

leftists with guns

https://paulcarrmusings.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/mm2.jpg?w=640

... and fighter planes.

they probably got them from noted leftists the red krayola

ABERDEEN, Miss. — A Mississippi girl has died after her brother allegedly shot her in the head because she wouldn't hand over the controller of a video game.

WCBI-TV reported Sunday that Monroe County Sheriff Cecil Cantrell says the girl is dead.

Cantrell told local news outlets that the 9-year-old boy shot his 13-year-old sister in the back of the head. She was rushed to Le Bonheur's Children's Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, but didn't survive.

Authorities say they don't yet know how the boy got the gun. The circumstances are still being investigated.

here's a hint - it was in the goddamn house and not in a safe

Sometimes I think Gun Control is a bad issue for the left just because it tends to seize so much emotion and attention with so little effect. Many more lives could be saved through healthcare reform than through gun control, even if we could pass gun control, which we can't seem to.

That Aberdeen shooting was about 15 minutes away from me. Def not surprising.

well we can't exactly pass healthcare reform either
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i would submit that if the democrats can't pass laws to address problems that cause an ongoing sickness and revulsion in the pit of the stomach of the majority of americans, the difficulty isn't that they're grabbing hold of a "bad issue".

and yes, it's true, the majority of americans all share one stomach. obesity epidemic explained.

huh, did not expect this

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/youtube-bans-firearm-sales-and-how-to-videos-prompting-backlash

Give it one week before they rollout Guntube

lol those idiots do not understand pornhub

YouTube, a popular media site for firearms enthusiasts

ban youtube

Id be pretty pissed going to pornhub expecting to see cock and instead getting glock

Democrats and Republicans in Congress have agreed on legislation that would open the doors to the federal government studying the effects gun violence, softening decades of legal language that encouraged the Centers for Disease Control to leave the issue alone.

A $1.3 trillion kitchen sink spending bill that must pass by Friday to avoid another government shutdown will not change gun control laws, but does contain two key measures to research gun violence and beef up background checks.

The momentum to significantly alter gun control laws in the wake of the Parkland, Florida, school shooting last month have faded in Congress in recent weeks, but the two provisions made it into the final, bipartisan bill released Wednesday night.

The spending bill contains a modest measure to improve reporting to the national background check registry. That was expected in recent days, but on top of it the committee report contains language that will allow the Centers for Disease Control the authority to research gun violence.

Wow. That's kinda huge?

momentum "have" faded?

tell that to jeremy corbyn's critics

maybe? the notion that the CDC is restricted from researching gun violence isn't completely true -- "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."

so technically they're allowed to, they just don't typically get the funding for it iirc

so they can investigate the effects of gun violence they just can't recommend that maybe thousands of lives would be saved each year if guns were harder to acquire? v reasonable imo

not saying it's reasonable!

didn't mean to suggest you were, just eternally amazed at the efforts america will go to in order to avoid gun control

american exceptionalism at its finest

"Pistol in the Bathroom" by the English Beat

The most common way gun owners carry concealed handguns is to attach the weapon to their belt or waistband, Dr. David Yamane, a Wake Forest University sociology professor who studies gun culture, told Splinter. But that becomes an issue when you to sit on a toilet and you’re carrying a gun that weighs a few pounds around your waist. So people sometimes take their guns off and find a space in the stall to stash them.

“It truly is a practical problem that many people have when they carry concealed weapons,” Dr. Yamane said. “With the liberalization of gun carry laws you are going to see a small number of people doing things like carrying a concealed gun into a bathroom, taking the gun off, and forgetting to put the gun back on.”

Yamane said that the rate of forgotten guns is relatively low compared to the number of people who carry concealed weapons on a daily basis. But it’s a common enough problem that the National Rifle Association has tips for its members on how not to forget their guns in the bathroom. “We hear many stories of people leaving guns in the stall or on the sink, even law enforcement personnel,” notes a 2017 article in the NRA’s publication Shooting Illustrated.

https://splinternews.com/an-alarming-number-of-guns-are-waiting-to-be-found-in-c-1823997714

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/25/politics/rick-santorum-guns-cnntv/index.html

"How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that," Santorum said on CNN's "State of the Union."

Fucking antichrist

Eat shit and die Santorum

Van Jones put him in his place

Santorum demonstrating once again that he's the living embodiment of his name's alternate meaning. What utter human garbage.

"But I think everyone should be responsible and deal with the problems that we have to confront in our lives."

Fucking insane.

Hmm. Maybe these kids who are mostly under the voting age, instead of organizing enormous rallies to effect change, should employ these guns you champion so mindlessly and deal with some problems. How about that, you massive fucking fecal spray?

They took action to ask someone to pass a law," Santorum said.

this is literally democracy you dipshit

Former GOP representative in failing to understand how representative government works shocker.

CPR rilly rilly helpful for gunshot wounds I guess