What matters most...no the only thing that matters to me is what their position was on TPP
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
"if Gillibrand sticks to eschewing corporate PAC donations and will unambiguously argue for single payer i think she'd probably do ok at bridging the Bernie wing and the With Her Still wing"
there's already a contingent that hates her for going after Franken (a contingent that has chalked the entire franken thing up to russian interference) and a good portion of those people seem to be bernie people, so I don't know.
― akm, Monday, March 12, 2018 9:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
really? i thought they were mostly hillary ppl --- most of the bernie-lovin lefties i follow on twitter seem pretty nonplussed by anything to do with "russian interference"
the narrative that russia did everything bad seems to have been most enthusiastically embraced by centrists unwilling to confront the fact that the dems made some pretty dumb decisions in the election, but maybe i'm off base here idk
― gbx, Monday, March 12, 2018 10:15 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
like legit people with any visibility or just the trolls that go on her facebook page and vomit rage every time she has a sponsored post? like i'm genuinely asking.
bc i've seen a whole lot of the latter and i don't want to be 'that guy' but if i were working for the GOP i'd figure we might as well start sowing discord/ kneecapping potentially strong Dem contenders ASAP.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
the people who claim everything is related to russia and every person on twitter is a russian bot are a cancer
― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
although I did enjoy the acrobatics when it was revealed Shareblue has been paying for a bunch of questionable twitter retweets
obviously it's a russian double-blind to entrap them
― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
Interesting question is to what degree Biden's entry clears the 'establishment' field, with sub-query regarding his reported consideration of a ticket candidacy, the likelihood of which seems highly questionable.
― Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
expanded medicare/healthcare for all or im not voting. Dems been hyping health reform since the 90s. its a dealbreaker.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
https://apnews.com/df86b8eace314fa6ab384dae96780fd2/Flake-eyes-2020-primary-challenge-to-stop-Trump
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 16 March 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
My distinguished record of challenging trump involves some strongly worded speeches and voting for every fucking thing he supports
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 16 March 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
romney is the one i'm concerned about.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 16 March 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
concern about what? he's just about got Orin's Utah senate seat in the bag. if he runs against Trump, it will be an echo of Teddy vs. Jimmy in 1980.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 16 March 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
i'm not saying this is the most likely scenario, but it is possible that trump won't be run in 2020, for any variety of reasons (impeachment, economic crash leading to him deciding not to run again, maybe he'll just die, etc). in that scenario, i think romney would be one of the frontrunners for the GOP.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 16 March 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
kasich is definitely running in 2020
― marcos, Friday, 16 March 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
I’ll let you know who starts hanging out in Iowa for some reason or another. It’s a decent barometer
― mh, Friday, 16 March 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
Kasich supposedly is more wont to run as independent than to primary Trump. Supposedly, but that's probably reflective of an accurate estimation that he wouldn't get far in a primary.
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 16 March 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
i think it's really hard to guess at what the situation will be like in spring 2020, even more than it usually is 2 away from a primary. the Trump situation is chaotic in so many ways right now - you could be looking at a fractured GOP with an embattled Trump lashing out, a united GOP behind President Pence, we could be in the middle of some new war created by Bolton, Trump, and Pompeo, the economy could crash...who knows. The only thing I know is that I don't trust anyone who claims to know what's going to happen.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 16 March 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
not be ageist but romney is deceptively old - currently 71
romney is the one i'm concerned about.― Karl Malone, Friday, March 16, 2018 6:59 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Karl Malone, Friday, March 16, 2018 6:59 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 16 March 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQaZKquLa5M
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 16 March 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link
he is old, but every election the age thing comes up in a lot of elections but
2016: Trump (70), Clinton (69), Sanders (75)2012: Romney (65)2008: McCain (72)
and of course reagan.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 17 March 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
The same band of white people who voted against Romney voted against Hillary. It's not like the nation is soul-searching for a sane billionaire to run things.
― pplains, Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:26 (six years ago) link
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/03/Michael-Avenatti-37-Thumbnail.jpg
this guy drives race cars and looks ready to murder somebody, I'm in
― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
he looks like one of those facial recognition software research paper "average face" images
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
lmao like matt lauer, vlad putin, and john travolta mixed into one face
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
there's at least 10% christian slater in there as well
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:45 (six years ago) link
wait a goddamn minute
indeed there's something a little automatonic there, that's just gravy
― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:47 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/5XGvVmJ.jpg
eh, not so much i guess
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link
He looks a lot like someone I've worked with.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/21/mitch-landrieu-2020-democrats-473648http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/379660-los-angeles-mayor-headed-to-iowa
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
Re: Landrieu...
"[Obama’s Iowa field director in 2008 and battleground states director in 2012] added, 'He would be one of the few candidates who I think could appeal to the African-American community and the white working class.'”
I think that's right. I also think the others who fall into that category include:
Joe Biden (Af-Am community mostly by proxy, but could be made up by strength of WWC appeal)Mark Cuban (not a Democrat)Van Jones (running?)Dwayne the whatever Johnson (who I try not to think about)
But I'm not sure who else. Patrick, maybe, and I don't rule out the possibility of Garcetti or some of the other younger people, but they'll have a hill to climb.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
unrelated, but: gillibrand endorsing cuomo has prob tarnished her uh brand with a lot of lefties
― gbx, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
gillibrand endorsing cuomo
oh damn i missed that. fucking boo
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
He seems like an overwhelming favorite in the race, so staying on the good side of the governor of the state you represent in the senate is just good business imo.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
lol wait, Van Jones?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
I wasn't aware Gillibrand had a "brand with a lot of lefties" who would care that she inevitably endorsed Cuomo.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
Didn't Van Jones get harangued out of the Obama admin early on for some reason right wing media drummed up? I'm sure they'd love to use it again, whatever it was.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
I'll be curious to see if any major dems endorse Nixon xp
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Yes. He's also been on an 18-month Trumplandia listening tour that's won him a bit of an audience there.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
re Van - i think he flirted with 9/11 trutherism or something?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
well i mean he had that great moment on the night of the election when he was arguing with lewandoski. but then there's this
When I say #NeverTrump, I don't mean THIS Trump. #NerdProm #WHCD #cnn @cnn @EricTrump pic.twitter.com/k7eZyteJUQ— Van Jones (@VanJones68) May 1, 2016
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
oof
― motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:28 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk i thought i'd seen her touted (along with harris) as a possible candidate to appeal to both the sanders and clinton contingents?
― gbx, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
― gbx, Thursday, March 22, 2018 1:21 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I found this disappointing but it doesn't significantly change how I feel about her as a potential candidate. if a lot of people view something this small-potatoes as a dealbreaker then I'm going to go ahead and wager on four more years of Trump.
― evol j, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
fwiw I haven't actually *seen* anyone dismiss her offhand over the Cuomo thing
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
and yes esp since Warren has said repeatedly she's not running a lot of people seem to have their hopes pinned to her
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
The timing of Gillibrand’s endorsement coming so close after Nixon’s announcement lends credence to Johnny Fever’s point, imo. Like “let’s get this over with ASAP and that way at least his office won’t be bothering us five times a day about it”
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
anyone who's followed Gillibrand closely since she ascended to the Senate knows that her moves "left" were just, um, reGillibranding
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
candidates who can opportunistically pivot left >>> inflexible centrists
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Yes, he's weirdly, maybe even suspiciously Trumpy. A potentially rose-colored take is that he's just seeking to understand/empathize with the other side in the service of understanding how to win them over/back, on his or someone else's behalf.
My attitude has basically always been fuck 'em, the reachable ones, many of whom are low-info voters inchoately voting for whatever's different, have four years to and will figure this out on their own in numbers sufficient to reverse the marginal deficits, something there's pretty good evidence they're doing - http://americancommunities.org/2018/03/for-trump-and-the-gop-warning-signs-in-the-middle-suburbs/.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:37 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i saw some tweets about it but, you know, tweets
― gbx, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
― gbx, Thursday, March 22, 2018 5:35 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm sure there's a small cohort of mostly young people who preferred Sanders to Clinton and might find Gillibrand or Harris an attractive compromise, but whoever's touting that likely has a pretty different notion of what their respective 'contingents' are than I do, and the person they're looking for, if they exist, is Warren.
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link