US Politics, March 2018: Why do people leave the White House for good?

I need no convincing that Pence will be worse. Still no reason to keep Trump. It wouldn't surprise me if Mueller's waiting for Dems to pick up the House so he can formally bring his charges.

http://www.grubstreet.com/2018/03/trump-ordered-rex-tillerson-to-eat-caesar-salad.html

In a private room in China’s Great Hall of the People in November, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson sat with President Donald Trump and other U.S. officials as their hosts delivered plates of wilted Caesar salad.

Mr. Trump, in the midst of a five-country tour of Asia, grew concerned the untouched greens would offend the Chinese, according to people familiar with the matter. So he ordered Mr. Tillerson to start. “Rex,” he said, “eat the salad.”

"..and then eat my salad. Because I'm not eating a salad. I'm the President."

Eat the Salad, My Ass (I Will Never Eat the Salad)

.@shearm & @maggieNYT capture how Trump 2020 campaign is becoming dumping ground for ousted WH officials - https://t.co/tnUM5tEZA3

— Eliana Johnson (@elianayjohnson) March 13, 2018

And what I am saying is that it's fair and right and good and effective to tell the kind of trash that gets off on "lock her up" and "pocahontas" and "very strong"/"very rough" etc., whatever sort of religion they may or may not claim (and many are not religious at all, let alone 'evangelicals'), that their hero gets off on getting peed on or slapped by women, especially when the stakes are as high as they are.

Maybe a large segment of Trump superfans will come out as kinksters themselves and we'll see a new element introduced into his arena rallies, and more likely the vast majority will yes dismiss it all as "fake news" (which doesn't mean they won't believe it, they'll just choose as much as possible not to acknowledge or even think about it), but if you think it will have no effect, you're kidding yourself just as much the strawman you think believes it will bring him down.

Referring to the impact upon supporters in a vacuum also completely ignores the impact upon Trump himself.

Which may be significant - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/politics/donald-trump-interviews.html

When Haberman or whoever says Trump aides "are shocked and dismayed" whom can she mean? Who's left?

Stephen Millier, Scott Baio, taco bowl

Sen. Feinstein, who led the Senate Intel torture report, has kind words for Trump's pick to be CIA director, Gina Haspel. "We've had a long personal talk," she said about the Bush-era programs. "Everything I know is that she has been a good deputy director of the CIA."

— Jeremy Herb (@jeremyherb) March 13, 2018

ignores the impact upon Trump himself.

beanbag sorta otm here

And what I am saying is that it's fair and right and good and effective to tell the kind of trash that gets off on "lock her up" and "pocahontas" and "very strong"/"very rough" that their hero gets off on getting peed on or slapped by women, especially when the stakes are as high as they are.

i'll guarantee you now, that is not going to be effective at all

Yes, let me just defer to your expert overseas analysis.

Unless the impact on Trump is "causes him to resign," who cares? Has making Trump angry and confused ever resulted in something *positive*?

I think it's important to distinguish btw sexual moralizing, kink shaming, etc., and using/abusing/silencing and generally exploiting women for Trump Inc., and if in the process there is add'l damage to the contorted logic of evangelical Republicans that's all gravy

Yes, let me just defer to your expert overseas analysis.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:08 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the guy with the travel/haircut advice, right?

Yes, let me just defer to your expert overseas analysis.

there's no point talking small ball shit with you dude. the late obama and early trump years have completely erased my patience. build a movement that can beat back the right wing or i don't care. that's it. we desperately need a new birth of freedom: inviolable voting rights, a national health plan, zero-carbon infrastructure and an end to the militarization of american life. you make promises to improve the majority's material lives or you're going to lose -- and it won't even matter if you win

this desperate wishing for sex tapes or a claque of spooks, prosecutors and crankhead lawyers to save us and make everything normal again is just past pathetic at this point, into actively malignant. we are wasting the world's time chasing this shit around. it doesn't matter and it won't work. who gives a shit what "mikeibarb" thinks the president thinks? the country was a violent, rotting empire before the GOP was too hollowed out to resist a bigot gameshow host.

the most dangerous things he's doing -- provoking war with iran and n korea, wretched tax cuts, domestic terror via ICE, fanatics and privatizers overseeing exec dept's -- aren't out of the GOP or even Dem mainstream and would be happening at about the same rate no matter who was in office. we are abusively governed but trump matters only a fraction of that.

on just an aesthetic note, the idea of listening to josh marshall and joan walsh talking about kinky sex makes me want to join hezbollah, hi NSA, eat shit, peace

There are many Trump supporters who are not 'evangelicals', real or fake, including but not limited to many 'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'.

^^^bigtime xp 2 goole

"we desperately need a new birth of freedom: inviolable voting rights, a national health plan, zero-carbon infrastructure and an end to the militarization of american life. you make promises to improve the majority's material lives or you're going to lose "

The belief that the 'majority' of the American public connects all but one element from the list (and not a 'national health plan' precisely but inchoately-expressed improvements to the existing regime) to the improvement of their 'material lives' is about the most desperate, time-wasting shit I can imagine.

Yes exposing Trump's kinks will surely turn those people off xxxp

https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/ujqIwNjIkXtIEX5b0iBlOU79q7c=/fit-in/1200x9600/https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fuploads%2Fcard%2Fimage%2F694263%2F38b8ed74-0a96-40cb-94ca-04b64e646c5f.png

Like I don't know how to break this to you my dude but 90% of "'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'" are high-fiving each other over the idea of boning a porn actress.

giantess, eh

RIDING GIANTESS

what's sfm?

how giant is she

she looks pretty tall

the most dangerous things he's doing -- provoking war with iran and n korea, wretched tax cuts, domestic terror via ICE, fanatics and privatizers overseeing exec dept's -- aren't out of the GOP or even Dem mainstream and would be happening at about the same rate no matter who was in office. we are abusively governed but trump matters only a fraction of that.

Let us remember that Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio jerked off at night to all these things but could speak in semi-coherent English.

There's a certain poetry in America's favorite new oil-producing state having "squirting" as its #1 search term.

“or even Dem mainstream” is a major reach. You probably want to walk that back. People thinking that is certainly a big part of how we ended up here.

dems keep focusing on the hentai states at the expense of the cheerleader states

what's sfm?

― how's life, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 3:34 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I...also don't know. Do I want to?

The Mueller investigation definitely won't bring Trump down because polls show people don't care about it that much right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/15/how-america-viewed-the-watergate-scandal-as-it-was-unfolding/

Also, climate change definitely won't happen because polls show people don't care about it much right now either.

Like I don't know how to break this to you my dude but 90% of "'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'" are high-fiving each other over the idea of boning a porn actress.

― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:31 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Like I don't know how to break this to you my dude but I wasn't talking about "boning a porn actress" (that Trump supporters are all over twitter calling a "skank" and a "whore"), and many of the people referred to above are straight women.

i think there IS voter traction in national-enquirer-level corruption stuff, not necc. sleaze but actual corruption, payoffs etc

that said goole is wildly otm

xp yes no men ever call the women they desire and can't have "skanks" and "whores" that is definitely a thing that has never happened in history

Yeah Hilary would have picked Gorsuch. Appointed Sessions, Threaten Nuclear war,torn up Iran agreement, meet w Bolton etc

and if you think that Stormy Daniels will be the tipping point for the 53% of white women who voted for Trump with all that was known before the election I have some very, very bad news for you

Yes Dems should definitely not pursue or bring up the “secretly paying a porn star” thing he’s still trying to hide that’s bad politics.

wait, everyone is ironically speaking in the voice that they oppose

The truth is that if the President of the United States were to slip and tumble down the stairs of Air Force One, and his weird hair came undone, and he limped away and it was all shown on TV, his image would suffer, because that is embarrassing. Not because *everybody* doesn't slip and fall, but because he's the President of the United States. People's own sexual proclivities—or acceptance of those of others—have nothing at all to do with the advisability or ethics of shaming him for same.

This fucker and his ilk are impervious through a combination of good fortune and dirty deeds to a whole range of behavioral checks that the rest of us our not. This zero-sum idea that he shouldn't be picked off by any and every means necessary on some vague grounds of argumentative consistency is absurd. The house is on fire.

xp It should be pursued by Dems to the extent that it impacts violations of Federal campaign laws, not to the extent that Trump likes to be humiliated by his side pieces in the bedroom.

Also can we please stop conflating kink-shaming or whatever w/ silencing the women he exploits for his beauty pageants etc.?

There are many Trump supporters who are not 'evangelicals', real or fake, including but not limited to many 'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 3:26 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

coulda just said 'whites'

Nothing bad will come to Trump over Stormy Daniels. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t scream about it, but we shouldn’t expect any consequences. This goes for the Russia stuff too. He’s going to get away with all of it. As long as he is white and republican, he’s bulletproof.

if some day many decades hence i can bring myself to see a silver lining in trump's presidency it will be that he provided an example of white privilege so bone-simple even a white man could understand it

The story that KM posted above that started this later conversation -- which you apparently didn't read, Nerdstrom -- contains no new information but this, which gabbneb apparently feels is important and should be what Democrats focus on:

In many ways, having sex with a porn star is on-brand for Donald Trump. He spent decades playing up a reputation as a billionaire playboy. These stories seem to have stirred discord in Trump’s marriage. They’re hard to square with his current role as the darling of conservative evangelicals. But they play to the tough guy, dominant and hyper-masculine image he likes to portray. He’s boasted for years about his purported sexual prowess and the Access Hollywood tape and the subsequent string of accusations of various kinds of sexual misconduct confirmed his role as a sexual predator.

But Daniels apparently says something different. I’m told that in her 60 Minutes interview with Anderson Cooper Daniels suggests that Trump, how to say this, likes it when women aren’t nice to him, treat him in perhaps denigrating ways.

Do you agree that that's what Democrats should focus on? Is that going to win them the House in November?

McCain slams Trump's CIA pick: She was involved in “one of darkest chapters in American history" https://t.co/dGRe9NUvqz pic.twitter.com/1Nh3qc9PZp

— The Hill (@thehill) March 13, 2018

mavericky

Here's a one two

NEW: We got audio of Stormy Daniels talking about an affair with a wealthy celebrity that began in Nevada on a 2007 radio show. Details match up with her Trump lawsuit and multiple people at the interview say it was Trump. https://t.co/i6VfqACuHk

— andrew kaczynski🤔 (@KFILE) March 13, 2018

BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE CLEM — who filmed Hulk Hogan sleeping with his wife in the tape published on Gawker and sued over by Charles Harder, who was paid by Trump supporter Peter Thiel and currently represents Melania Trump — accidentally got the scoop on Trump's affair with Stormy https://t.co/rOWFpxz779

— Gabrielle Bluestone (@g_bluestone) March 13, 2018

Yeah the Democrats are not going to base mid term races on kink shaming. This is like when people said “Democrats are ignoring healthcare and talking about Russia” but ignored that actual Dem politicians were talking about health care everyday.

xp Phil, no *one thing* is going to win the House in November. That's why politics is depressing and not sexy.