The Lysergic Acid Diethylamidiotic Joe Biden & Sarah Palin VP Presidential Debate thread in the 2 zero zero 8 (2008 party over oops)

well, that's assuming that ifill even moderates the debate

It's not that the right's critique isn't utterly transparent, but media backlash was one of the principal dynamics in motivating the Palin bounce in the first place.

But there's another factor here too. In preparing for a debate, you are often preparing nearly as much for the "judge" or moderator as for the opponent. Both campaigns probably have a pretty good idea of what types of questions she is likely to ask, how he is likely to ask them. Palin and Biden have undoubtedly watched videotapes of Ifill moderating the 2004 debate between John Edwards and Dick Cheney.

By changing the moderator, you're throwing everyone a curveball, and catering to the candidate who is better able to adapt on the fly. Which, most likely, is not going to be Sarah Palin.

via http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

i dunno max, you seem pretty invested in the idea that biden has to wear kid gloves for this

all respect to 538, but preparing for a specific moderator seems like a dumb idea to begin with.

All for Palin to lose, either way

or at least preparing for a moderator being the main focus, that is

doh i just posted about this in the other election thrad

i'm sure they prepare for every eventuality, including the variable of 'the moderator' -- you think the campaigns leave this up to chance?

You alluded to the same thing above, Elmo! I mean, the entire appeal of Palin rests in her being relatable to many folks, and when people see someone they relate to being jumped on by a career politician, whose side do you think they gravitate to? (Hence, like I said, Biden's job is to assist Palin in failing, not to jump out and MAKE her fail.)

someone photoshop "I'll there with you" Jesus over Sarah Palin.

i don't mean biden has to come at her swinging -- he can afford to pull his punches, only a little bit -- but if he is seen as not engaging her at all, i think it presents a worse outcome for him

Palin's "I think I was in second grade when we heard Biden say that" comment wasn't really a smart thing to say on her behalf, to put it mildly. If any memorably punch lands on Palin, this comment by her will likely be the catalyst.

I think Pailn will come out OKish, but given many peoples low expectations it will be a seen as a victory.

A debate is different from an interview, she's good at debates. She doesn't debate on issues but on crowd pleasing homilies. She, like Regan, isn't a facts and stats politician.

see: http://www.alternet.org/election08/101011/i%27ve_debated_sarah_palin_more_than_20_times_--_here%27s_what_it%27s_like/

Palins announcements only really get turned into a damaging 'you tube moment' jumble when under pressure, for instance the Couric newspaper questions had to get asked three times. Go back to the other flubs and you'll see it when the question has to be repeated because she gave a non-answer.

However, in a debate you can't press like that, and it looks like Biden has been especially warned not to press.

She wont mess up if not pressed.She may give bland non answers but she wont do the really damaging stuff. Unless Biden takes the risk of looking like a bully and presses hard. He needs to especially do this if Palin goes negative like her communnity organiser comments, he absolutely needs to call her out for that, no matter how she says it with a cutesy smile and a mannered 'you know'.

One difference in the debate winning tactics is that, unlike the Alaska ones mentioned in the article linked to above, these will be replayed and re-examined. This is the first You Tube election, if she flubs in a way that wouldn't have mattered much in previous years, it will be all over the net and it will be the clip of that flub we'll all be watching over and over.

"all respect to 538, but preparing for a specific moderator seems like a dumb idea to begin with."

Uh no, it's a very smart idea.

"She wont mess up if not pressed."

uh what?

i don't mean biden has to come at her swinging -- he can afford to pull his punches, only a little bit -- but if he is seen as not engaging her at all, i think it presents a worse outcome for him

otm otm otm

He shouldn't ignore her, jeez no one is saying that.

i don't think Palin will let him (or anybody really) ignore her.

Kathleen Parker gets letters

"I will not be . . . ignored . . ."

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I do like this part:

"Let Sarah be Sarah" has become the latest rallying cry among my colleagues on the right. She'll be fine if we just leave her alone, they say. Between prayers, I might add.

Schadenfreude:

Readers have every right to reject my opinion. But when we decide that a person is a traitor and should die for having an opinion different from one's own, we cross into territory that puts all freedoms at risk. (I hear you, Dixie Chicks.)

He shouldn't ignore her, jeez no one is saying that.

max, Shakey and Rock Hardy all said it on this thread.

Everyone should step away from this thread, get good and hammered tomorrow night, and return.

hello i have been sent the best gif ever

http://i36.tinypic.com/53p6xf.gif

Sigh, okay no one who actually has the slightest say in how Biden might behave (or the faintest idea about how debate dynamics work) is saying that.

JW that gif is highly offensive and is embarrassing to all americans of either party and also to me personally embarrassing due to copious and also high-volume roffles attracting unwanted coworker attention.

"best" = dumb, irritating, deeply unfunny?

rollseyes.jpg i didnt say he should ignore her, but if its important for me to be wrong, wv, rollseyes.jpg

max, Shakey and Rock Hardy all said it on this thread.

I believe I have been "misinterpretated"

guys this is a dumb argument. lol palin.

biden should wear this shirt to the debate
http://www.bigdogs.com/images/products/family/t2839.jpg

this gif is basically "lol stereotypes" right

Basically.

I think Biden should debate McCain in absentia rather than engage much with her.

This is not QUITE saying he should ignore her. I think Biden should debate McCain, his record and policies (via Mac's onstage proxy, Palin), not engage with Palin directly on what she knows or doesn't know, what she reads or doesn't read.

ok deej that is the best shirt ever

I should have blamed Alfred for the "ignore her" argument.

i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.
i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.
i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.
i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.
i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.
i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.
i have faith in biden not flicking his tongue between his fingers at Palin.

It's the dog that makes the shirt.

"best" = dumb, irritating, deeply unfunny?

you didn't know jw finds racism funny?

you wear a Phish hat

less Phish more Big Dogs

holy fuck that shirt is cracking me up

if Biden wore that tomorrow night, I'd marry him

biden just has to come across as smart and engaging and substantive

.333 ain't bad.

Don't be sad.

you wear a Phish hat

no i wear a fish hat

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-10-01-2903921607_1154fbcacb.jpg

THIS ONE TIME, AT DEBATE CAMP

i've been in that dude's house

Only anti-semitism

Hope springs eternal:

Rich (Lowry):

I'm listening to Sarah Palin on Hannity right now and I've never heard her sound more sure and in command. Tomorrow just might turn out to me a nice surprise...

Does it sound anything like this?

http://www.palinparrot.com/?question=Are+you+crazy%3F

DIY Palin Interview Generator