Ariel Pink

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Agree about the hit potential for "Round and Round." That fan video with the footage from "Perfect" made it seem like it should be soundtracking crossfit/soulcycle sessions.

henry s, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:30 (two years ago) link

a bigger push in what direction? there's no radio format that's hospitable to the type of music the dude makes.

greater commercial success for an artist like a purity ring just involves getting it in front of people who already like similar music and will immediately understand it. ariel pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently. to get him over the hump, you'd either have to find a way to make his music more commercial without sanding off the edges that make it appealing to fans, or have a legion of his acolytes go forth into the industry and do that work for him by creating commercial music that proudly bears his influence that would provide mainstream audiences with the context they'd need to understand and appreciate what he does.

that's not even getting into any of the personal stuff.

i personally would characterize "round and round" as a song that actually over-performed relative to what the natural demand for this guy's music is, and that the dude's boosters in the media and at his label performed a miraculous act akin to squeezing blood from a stone when they managed to get his name out there as much as they did.

james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:45 (two years ago) link

a bigger push in what direction? there's no radio format that's hospitable to the type of music the dude makes.

all the songs I listed, esp. 'Round and Round,' could slot in perfectly on pop/rock radio. not to mention every single college radio station in the country. I agree that the main problem is his complete lack of charisma, really an anti-charisma, that shatters the Bowie comparison & his pop chances. and again, even that's not getting into the personal stuff, which is another huge problem. but on the music alone, I could see it in another world.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:53 (two years ago) link

Round and Round is a good song that droops under the weight of its deliberate lethargy and lacklustre vocal delivery. A cover of the song could be a hit but this song as it is? no.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:07 (two years ago) link

"round and round" is over five minutes long and takes forever to get to the chorus. the relevant radio formats are overrun by beat-driven comfort food like portugal. the man's "feel it still" and imagine dragons. ariel pink is not LP1 MGMT - what he's doing has no relationship to the type of rock music that's currently doing numbers.

the dude's brand as an underappreciated mad genius or whatever is a perfect match for his actual skillset. he routinely over-delivers relative to the very low expectations his public persona inspires, which keeps a small base of hardcore fans happy. that is the type of career he seems to be able to handle and i don't think anything bigger would work out well for either him or the world.

james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:12 (two years ago) link

flappy bird, were you listening to pop radio in 2010 and 2011

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:13 (two years ago) link

"Round and Round" would have fit just fine and Usher-Pitfull, Rihanna, Bruno Mars, and Gaga.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:14 (two years ago) link

MGMT is a great comparison, 5 minute hits are not unprecedented, I'm just saying it could've happened on the same scale as an MGMT. james is right though w/r/t AP's actual skillset and abilities and likely inability to cope with / manage a huge boost in popularity.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:07 (two years ago) link

but MGMT have never had anything close to an American top forty hit.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:17 (two years ago) link

yeah I know they did reasonably well on all those obscure tertiary charts, & those songs are still in rotation a lot, i.e. = pop hit for an indie act

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:20 (two years ago) link

jb otm

I thought I hated Ariel Pink but I realized that I just didn't need him, and most of the people I knew who were passionate fans I think were themselves goofy insecure musicians who felt more personally validated by his presence and acclaim than they actually felt moved by his music

There were parts of Pom Pom that spoke to me I guess

He came to my house once for a party, I'd never met the guy, he was a guest of some other people I'd invited. He ended up kind of holding court with my guitar on my couch and it was good! But then I ended up getting drunk and needing to sleep before people could leave. I woke up and all the lights were still on nothing was cleaned up and the front door was wide open and one of the showers was inexplicably on. I found Ariel's bank card on the ground outside and returned it to him later that day. It took me all day to clean up the mess

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:48 (two years ago) link

“pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently”

You mean pop music?

zlstrz (calstars), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:05 (two years ago) link

idk, the 'hold i'm coming' part of the chorus is good but it's not one of his best songs or anything

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:08 (two years ago) link

the 'everything's my fault" part is godawful

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:08 (two years ago) link

^ both of those are irrelevant to whether or not it could've become a pop hit

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:31 (two years ago) link

"Round and Round" is cool for what it is but when placed on a radio next to actually catchy songs its muddy dull and doesn't do much. Bowie actually wrote songs that could stand up next to other songs. songs with deep variety that still came a steady clip. for a decade straight. "Space Oddity" and "Fame" are like half a decade apart.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:38 (two years ago) link

at any rate if this was a fantasy universe then can't we ask for someone better than Ariel Pink who perhaps wasn't appreciated as much as him in this universe

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:40 (two years ago) link

yeah... Joe Meek

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:41 (two years ago) link

round and round is def a popular song. i hear it every time im perusing the sales rack at urb outfitterz.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:50 (two years ago) link

perusing the $28 new vinyl section at UO

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (two years ago) link

nah man looking 4 those marked down sweat shorts.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (two years ago) link

According to spotify Ariel Pink has an average of 813,552 listeners per month against Julian Casablancas 203,700 monthly listeners.

Maybe tell Julian that nowadays Ariel Pink is at least 4 times more famous than him as a solo artist. That should make him happy.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 07:56 (two years ago) link

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:49 (two years ago) link

Julian Casablancas solo or The Voidz? Solo he only made one album 8 years ago

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:55 (two years ago) link

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

― zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:49 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, which is strange, because it was allegedly recorded on the evening of 9/11/01

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:06 (two years ago) link

Ariel Pink is this generation's...Stephen Malkmus

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:05 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Mankind is a nazi (Humanity’s the devil)

calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:20 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Just saw Tim on the street, said hi

calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:11 (one year ago) link

Glad he’s back on his feet!

flappy bird, Saturday, 17 November 2018 20:51 (one year ago) link

Yeah! He was wearing a red bell bottom suit so it seemed so!

calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 21:04 (one year ago) link

Part Time feat. AP - I can treat you better

calstars, Thursday, 22 November 2018 01:20 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

heard Put Your Number in My Phone in a Whole Foods today. Sounded really good, AP's voice cut thru the din. I enjoyed reciting the phone call bridge with my friends. submit post

flappy bird, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:37 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

new old songs, probably will end up on Oddities & Sodomies vol. 2 this fall

flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Pink x Trux

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:39 (ten months ago) link

I'll see your Pink x Trux and raise you one Ariel Archives

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 03:18 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

“new” Oddities Sodomites II thing on Spotify
Happy Friday

calstars, Friday, 25 October 2019 13:37 (seven months ago) link

new reissues sound incredible

flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:14 (six months ago) link

it’s like listening to them for the first time

flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:15 (six months ago) link

Underground was a surprise for me. Each song an alternate universe hit. Reminded me of a something like Alien Lanes.

Hinklepicker, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:24 (six months ago) link

great interview with him and the engineer who helped dig up all the tapes and re-mix/master:

does anyone know how much of oddities is unreleased? i didn't recognize much. he seems to indicate that this volume and the next will have lots of new material.

bolivian solider as an example, is a brand new song done in his "old" style with mouth drums, etc. i can't get it out of my head. house of yesterday is also very strong.

was always a fan of Underground, so reissue is a treat. i'm struggling to get into Loverboy though aside from a few cuts.

anza808, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:43 (six months ago) link

it's impressive how much mastering guy was able to clean these records up; really opens them up

flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:51 (six months ago) link

I think tracks 1-3, 5-7 and 13 are new. Gates Of Xion was a 2006 7", This Night and Go Go x2 were on the My Molly 7", Driving To The Grave is Underground era and was on some very limited tour CD (and was up on youtube for a while). Chart-Beep and The Law were on the I'm Not A Genius EP.

PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:02 (six months ago) link

in that interview AP calls Bolivian Soldier "a sort of sister song to Are You Gonna Look After My Boys" and wtf now I love it
nah i loved it from first listen

I'm not that familiar with the remastered albums out now (only Underground and Loverboy right?) but I did check out a couple songs from Loverboy, like the title track, and I think something was lost. The songs are less dense now, more separation. w/e, both mixes exist

flappy bird, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:13 (six months ago) link

Very pleased with the outcome of these remasters - the results kind of belie the idea that he was trying to make things sound as shit as possible. It's like listening to the actual 8-track tapes (plus compression)

PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:47 (six months ago) link

xp — I agree about Loverboy (my favorite). It's novel to hear the songs sounding so clean, relatively speaking, but the way the songs leapt out through the crud, lifted up from within the murk, had been part of that album's sonic signature. As with a lot of remasters, though, if you never heard the old version I'm not sure you'd really feel like you were missing anything. While they're a whole other analogue (rock, golden) ball game, some of the Stereolab reissues this year have been like this, too. Anyway, some of Underground is still hella noisy.

I appreciate the liner notes on the new reissues. They're not extensive and only say a little about the music itself, but they provide some interesting background. I didn't know he was at the center of a sexual harrassment suit regarding a piece he did at CalArts, for which he says he will probably best be known (!). That remark seems to partly explain some subsequent behavior, an attitude that he will never be properly recognized for his work no matter what he does... which he takes to mean he might act out his id anyway, with at times disastrous results.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 31 October 2019 21:10 (six months ago) link

Wow, any more details on that lawsuit? Here's another:

Ariel Pink has been hit with a lawsuit from director and actress Kansas Bowling, who claims Pink hired her to make a concert film last month and then failed to pay her. Pink owes Bowling more than $1,500, according to a small claims action filed on October 18 in a Los Angeles County court and obtained by Pitchfork. “I was hired by Ariel to go on tour with him to film his shows,” reads the complaint by Bowling, who was not represented by a lawyer. “When we got back, he said he didn’t want the video anymore, therefore he didn’t have to pay me.”

The complaint alleges that Pink owes Bowling $1,560, stemming from events that took place from September 18 to 21.

Bowling told Pitchfork in an emailed statement: “All I’m asking for is the amount promised to me for a job I already did. I went on tour with him and filmed four shows.... I have to take him to small claims for this lousy, already-discounted rate I gave him so I can eat and pay my rent!”

Ariel Pink has been officially served documents in the case, according to L.A. County court records. A non-jury trial in the case is currently scheduled for January 3, 2020. As of publication, a representative for Pink has not responded to Pitchfork’s requests for comment.

Kansas Bowling is the director of the 2016 film B.C. Butcher, as well as numerous music videos. As an actress, Bowling played the Charles Manson follower Sandra “Blue” Good in Quentin Tarantino’s 2019 film Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood.

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 17:49 (six months ago) link

lol what a douche

surprised underground got reissued, by far his least listenable and least tuneful, not sure what he felt was worth salvaging there

brimstead, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:36 (six months ago) link

Scared famous

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Friday, 1 November 2019 23:38 (six months ago) link

When is the next batch out? Can it happen before he gets cancelled

PaulTMA, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:52 (six months ago) link

they're reissuing all of his old albums through 2020, similar rollout I think as the Stereolab reissues. I agree that Underground is mostly dross aside from My Molly.

One thing that the remixes/remasters also highlight is how beyond repair some of his sounds are. I actually think the separation and 'cleaning' of the stems emphasizes how distorted and fucked they were, like PaulMTA said upthread.

for what it's worth, I tried to get a tape collage of mine mastered recently and the results were very similar: sterile separation and elements popping out that shouldn't have, and also irreversible distortion being highlighted.

xp I think in early 2020. AP has been cancelled so many times he's in a Trump sort of space, there's so much evidence of him being, at best, an asshole, and at worst, an emotionally and physically abusive drug addict. so it's all sort of a wash.

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:58 (six months ago) link

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