Ariel Pink

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i like the video

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:46 (one year ago) link

i like Ariel Pink but he is in no way the Bowie of this generation. Bowie had a solid 15 years of radio hits singles and mass appeal (despite Julian's dumb fantasy tons of people knew who Bowie was in the 70's). Pink has't even gotten to his Space Oddity yet.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 11:11 (one year ago) link

that’s exactly what JC is saying though right? In a better world “Round and Round” would’ve been a radio hit. All the records this decade have as much mass appeal as Bowie imo - “Only in My Dreams,” “Baby,” “PYNIMP,” “Another Weekend,” “L’estat,” “Kinski Assassin,” “Feels Like Heaven”... and “Space Oddity” was only a hit years later after Ziggy.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:30 (one year ago) link

All the records this decade have as much mass appeal as Bowie imo

not in the opinion of the masses tho!

well it's a different era, Bowie was on a major label, exploded in popularity after a performance on Top of the Pops when everyone watched that show no matter who was on because there were so few options on TV

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:32 (one year ago) link

Space Oddity saw Bowie temporarily become a one-hit wonder until Ziggy

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:51 (one year ago) link

sure but again he was on a major label. But it is true AP the man does not have the charisma or stage presence of Bowie. quite the opposite in fact.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link

n a better world “Round and Round” would’ve been a radio hit.

lol whut

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:58 (one year ago) link

I remember Ellen Olenska in The Age of Innocence: "Oh, my dear - where is that country? Have you ever been there?"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:01 (one year ago) link

def could've seen it becoming a crossover hit helped by commercial syncs & a bigger push by 4AD. I'd say the same for Grimes but as has been discussed on her thread, Art Angels performed shockingly poorly on the charts compared to how much acclaim it got & how much people love it. maybe the problem is 4AD.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:06 (one year ago) link

Agree about the hit potential for "Round and Round." That fan video with the footage from "Perfect" made it seem like it should be soundtracking crossfit/soulcycle sessions.

henry s, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:30 (one year ago) link

a bigger push in what direction? there's no radio format that's hospitable to the type of music the dude makes.

greater commercial success for an artist like a purity ring just involves getting it in front of people who already like similar music and will immediately understand it. ariel pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently. to get him over the hump, you'd either have to find a way to make his music more commercial without sanding off the edges that make it appealing to fans, or have a legion of his acolytes go forth into the industry and do that work for him by creating commercial music that proudly bears his influence that would provide mainstream audiences with the context they'd need to understand and appreciate what he does.

that's not even getting into any of the personal stuff.

i personally would characterize "round and round" as a song that actually over-performed relative to what the natural demand for this guy's music is, and that the dude's boosters in the media and at his label performed a miraculous act akin to squeezing blood from a stone when they managed to get his name out there as much as they did.

james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:45 (one year ago) link

a bigger push in what direction? there's no radio format that's hospitable to the type of music the dude makes.

all the songs I listed, esp. 'Round and Round,' could slot in perfectly on pop/rock radio. not to mention every single college radio station in the country. I agree that the main problem is his complete lack of charisma, really an anti-charisma, that shatters the Bowie comparison & his pop chances. and again, even that's not getting into the personal stuff, which is another huge problem. but on the music alone, I could see it in another world.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:53 (one year ago) link

Round and Round is a good song that droops under the weight of its deliberate lethargy and lacklustre vocal delivery. A cover of the song could be a hit but this song as it is? no.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:07 (one year ago) link

"round and round" is over five minutes long and takes forever to get to the chorus. the relevant radio formats are overrun by beat-driven comfort food like portugal. the man's "feel it still" and imagine dragons. ariel pink is not LP1 MGMT - what he's doing has no relationship to the type of rock music that's currently doing numbers.

the dude's brand as an underappreciated mad genius or whatever is a perfect match for his actual skillset. he routinely over-delivers relative to the very low expectations his public persona inspires, which keeps a small base of hardcore fans happy. that is the type of career he seems to be able to handle and i don't think anything bigger would work out well for either him or the world.

james brooks, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:12 (one year ago) link

flappy bird, were you listening to pop radio in 2010 and 2011

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:13 (one year ago) link

"Round and Round" would have fit just fine and Usher-Pitfull, Rihanna, Bruno Mars, and Gaga.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:14 (one year ago) link

MGMT is a great comparison, 5 minute hits are not unprecedented, I'm just saying it could've happened on the same scale as an MGMT. james is right though w/r/t AP's actual skillset and abilities and likely inability to cope with / manage a huge boost in popularity.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:07 (one year ago) link

but MGMT have never had anything close to an American top forty hit.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:17 (one year ago) link

yeah I know they did reasonably well on all those obscure tertiary charts, & those songs are still in rotation a lot, i.e. = pop hit for an indie act

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:20 (one year ago) link

jb otm

I thought I hated Ariel Pink but I realized that I just didn't need him, and most of the people I knew who were passionate fans I think were themselves goofy insecure musicians who felt more personally validated by his presence and acclaim than they actually felt moved by his music

There were parts of Pom Pom that spoke to me I guess

He came to my house once for a party, I'd never met the guy, he was a guest of some other people I'd invited. He ended up kind of holding court with my guitar on my couch and it was good! But then I ended up getting drunk and needing to sleep before people could leave. I woke up and all the lights were still on nothing was cleaned up and the front door was wide open and one of the showers was inexplicably on. I found Ariel's bank card on the ground outside and returned it to him later that day. It took me all day to clean up the mess

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:48 (one year ago) link

“pink's music doesn't really resemble anything that ever has been wildly successful or is wildly successful currently”

You mean pop music?

zlstrz (calstars), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:05 (one year ago) link

idk, the 'hold i'm coming' part of the chorus is good but it's not one of his best songs or anything

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:08 (one year ago) link

the 'everything's my fault" part is godawful

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:08 (one year ago) link

^ both of those are irrelevant to whether or not it could've become a pop hit

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:31 (one year ago) link

"Round and Round" is cool for what it is but when placed on a radio next to actually catchy songs its muddy dull and doesn't do much. Bowie actually wrote songs that could stand up next to other songs. songs with deep variety that still came a steady clip. for a decade straight. "Space Oddity" and "Fame" are like half a decade apart.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:38 (one year ago) link

at any rate if this was a fantasy universe then can't we ask for someone better than Ariel Pink who perhaps wasn't appreciated as much as him in this universe

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:40 (one year ago) link

yeah... Joe Meek

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:41 (one year ago) link

round and round is def a popular song. i hear it every time im perusing the sales rack at urb outfitterz.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:50 (one year ago) link

perusing the $28 new vinyl section at UO

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (one year ago) link

nah man looking 4 those marked down sweat shorts.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (one year ago) link

According to spotify Ariel Pink has an average of 813,552 listeners per month against Julian Casablancas 203,700 monthly listeners.

Maybe tell Julian that nowadays Ariel Pink is at least 4 times more famous than him as a solo artist. That should make him happy.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 07:56 (one year ago) link

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:49 (one year ago) link

Julian Casablancas solo or The Voidz? Solo he only made one album 8 years ago

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:55 (one year ago) link

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

― zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:49 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, which is strange, because it was allegedly recorded on the evening of 9/11/01

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:06 (one year ago) link

Ariel Pink is this generation's...Stephen Malkmus

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:05 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Mankind is a nazi (Humanity’s the devil)

calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:20 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Just saw Tim on the street, said hi

calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:11 (eleven months ago) link

Glad he’s back on his feet!

flappy bird, Saturday, 17 November 2018 20:51 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah! He was wearing a red bell bottom suit so it seemed so!

calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 21:04 (eleven months ago) link

https://open.spotify.com/track/0lzEmkwqePDPoau88C4VjJ?si=qeZKGB-BSsipLtWpbEB5nw

Part Time feat. AP - I can treat you better

calstars, Thursday, 22 November 2018 01:20 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

heard Put Your Number in My Phone in a Whole Foods today. Sounded really good, AP's voice cut thru the din. I enjoyed reciting the phone call bridge with my friends. submit post

flappy bird, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:37 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...

new old songs, probably will end up on Oddities & Sodomies vol. 2 this fall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYmy1OPFb-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtH5Q1K2ReE

flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:34 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Pink x Trux

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:39 (two months ago) link

I'll see your Pink x Trux and raise you one Ariel Archives

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 03:18 (two months ago) link


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