Warren will not run.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link
but who will unite the dems, whoooooooo
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
if Gillibrand sticks to eschewing corporate PAC donations and will unambiguously argue for single payer i think she'd probably do ok at bridging the Bernie wing and the With Her Still wing
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Gillibrand is carefully constructing her 2020 candidacy while everyone else is just looking at their month-at-a-glance calendars.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
Not if you’re watching Senate hearings but OK
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
TOMBOT WHO WILL UNITE THE DEMZ
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
When was the last time anybody scored a soundbyte in a senate hearing that paid off big dividends in a presidential campaign?
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
subquestion: does it matter whether or not a presidential candidate knows anything about policy
― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 March 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
which is more important: how much a candidate knows about, i don't know, anything at all, or how much time they've spent on tv
i actually think that overall, even in the post-trump era, knowing anything about anything is more important, but it's not a slam dunk case
― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 March 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
boy, all those undecided voters who are paying close attention to what potential candidates are doing 24 months before the primaries are going to flock to gillibrand, i tell you! flock!
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 12 March 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
This far out, the most a candidate can do is talk to insiders, by which I mean elected politicians, county-level party chairs, donors, and known activists (paid or unpaid), and try to drum up early support, whether it is a wholehearted commitment or a cautiously provisional one. The voters have no one on their radars, yet.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 12 March 2018 04:50 (six years ago) link
Nobody is going to unite the demz
― El Tomboto, Monday, 12 March 2018 04:56 (six years ago) link
Whichever poor bastard has to pretend to be the DSA “leader” endorsing the 2020 candidate at the convention, well, they will have taken the job, such as it will be.The verb phrasing will be easier at that point though
― El Tomboto, Monday, 12 March 2018 04:59 (six years ago) link
The Democrats looked kind of disunited in 2006, too. Right up until they didn't.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 12 March 2018 05:00 (six years ago) link
so youre saying obama should run again
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Monday, 12 March 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
danny de vito is going to unite the demz
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 March 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link
demz what?
― pplains, Monday, 12 March 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
demz nutz
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 March 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
ty
― pplains, Monday, 12 March 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
they seem to be doing good with Generic Democrat vs. Trump in all those polls. they just need someone with no personal opinions, no past history, no way to speak to the public, no physical body, etc.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link
an...al gore rhythm...if you will
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
well done
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
haha
― Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
holy shit
― Simon H., Monday, 12 March 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
"if Gillibrand sticks to eschewing corporate PAC donations and will unambiguously argue for single payer i think she'd probably do ok at bridging the Bernie wing and the With Her Still wing"
there's already a contingent that hates her for going after Franken (a contingent that has chalked the entire franken thing up to russian interference) and a good portion of those people seem to be bernie people, so I don't know.
― akm, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
really? i thought they were mostly hillary ppl --- most of the bernie-lovin lefties i follow on twitter seem pretty nonplussed by anything to do with "russian interference"
the narrative that russia did everything bad seems to have been most enthusiastically embraced by centrists unwilling to confront the fact that the dems made some pretty dumb decisions in the election, but maybe i'm off base here idk
― gbx, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:15 (six years ago) link
if you mean they're perplexed why anyone would go that off the deep end into russian interference, yeah
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
sorry i shouldn't be snotty about the actual meaning of 'nonplussed.' your post is otm, not off base at all
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:41 (six years ago) link
Ordinarily the specter of Russian interference, apart from actual manipulation of the vote totals, would seem like a fairly small splash in a very big pond, but there are plenty of reasons why this does not apply to 2016, an election where the distortions created by the electoral college allowed a minority of voters (~3 million fewer votes) to elect the president, and the three most decisive states were decided by extremely thin margins. Not to mention that the candidate who benefitted from these anomalous events to become POTUS is a racist, semi-literate narcissist with proto-fascist leanings.
Under the circumstances, if Russia intervened sufficiently to help create this result, the majority, who voted against it, should be furious.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 04:02 (six years ago) link
Someone said something about an exhaustive list? I won't go that far, but I'll list about two dozen of the likeliest Democratic candidates (at least 1/3 of whom likely won't end up running), and some of the likelier also-runs:
Joe BidenCory BookerSherrod BrownSteve BullockAndrew CuomoJohn DelaneyEric GarcettiKirsten GillibrandLuis GutierrezKamala HarrisJohn HickenlooperEric Holder (or Sally Yates?)Jay InsleeVan Jones (as Oprah's campaign manager?)Amy KlobucharMitch LandrieuTerry McAuliffeJeff Merkley Martin O'MalleyDeval PatrickTim RyanBernie SandersTom SteyerElizabeth Warren
Might run to make Joe Biden look youthful?: Jerry BrownMight run to constantly poke Andrew Cuomo?: Bill de BlasioMight run to No Elizabeth Warren?: Gina RaimondoMight run for Vice President/as surrogate?: Cheri Bustos, Julian Castro, Jason Kander, Patrick Kennedy, Seth Moulton, Chris Murphy, Eric SwalwellMight run to support Putin/Trump?: Tulsi Gabbard, Dennis Kucinich
Possible Republican challengers if Trump remains in office: Mark Cuban, Jeff Flake, John Kasich, Mitt Romney
Possible Republican candidates if Trump is removed from office: Steve Bannon, Marsha Blackburn, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, John Kasich, Nikki Haley, Mark Meadows, Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Ben Sasse, Rick Scott, Scott Walker
Possible Independent tickets if Trump is the nominee and Dems nominate a Sanders-type figure: Michael Bloomberg/Mike Mullen, John Kasich/John Hickenlooper, Howard Schultz/Mark Cuban or vice versa
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SdjRSqqHE
― had (crüt), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
I think Biden wants to run and today is more likely than not to do so, but not sure he'll be better than 50-50 next year. I think a handful of Senators may run, but that Klobuchar won't, that probably only one (at best) of Brown/Merkley(/Ryan) will, and have my doubts about both Booker and Harris, though at this point I expect both Sanders and Warren, even if less sure as to the latter. The Governors are harder to read at this stage, by design, but I expect at least one each from East and West, and maybe two. Garcetti appears to be running, and not sure he'll be the only big- (or smaller-)city mayor, but he's the only one I'd put above 50%. The out-of-offices I'm pretty skeptical of, though Patrick, e.g., may be likelier if Biden begs off. What Steyer's up to, I have no idea. I'll guess maybe 12-15 contenders.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
i assume de blasio will be running. he has enough national recognition and is very tall, so he would seem likely to attract enough support to be considered a Serious Candidate, at least at the beginning.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
knew it was gabb before i finished scrolling down
btw your list is insanely long
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
I like Merkely. He has a strong set of progressive positions he can push. But he'd really have to catch fire to have any chance. He's a little-known name, from a small state, and not very charismatic, although the same could be said of Bernie.
otoh, Bernie lost the nomination in what was essentially a two-person field by Super Tuesday. I don't think Merkely can stand out in the crowd that will be running this time.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:40 PM (forty-one seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Also distinguished. But not exhaustive.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
I endeavored to list those likeliest to run, not those likeliest to succeed. I think there's a serious prospect of Merkley running, though he may well be among the drop-out-before-or-right-after-Iowa cohort.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
Everybody I know in Oregon loves Merkley. I'm on the same page with a lot of his positions, but what a drip. He's the Tim Pawlenty of righty politics.
(I still lol when I remember Lawrence O'Donnell 100% GUARANTEED that Tim Pawlenty would be the GOP nominee shortly before he dropped out of the race.)
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link
*lefty
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/286/197/c6c.jpg
― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
What matters most...no the only thing that matters to me is what their position was on TPP
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
― akm, Monday, March 12, 2018 9:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gbx, Monday, March 12, 2018 10:15 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
like legit people with any visibility or just the trolls that go on her facebook page and vomit rage every time she has a sponsored post? like i'm genuinely asking.
bc i've seen a whole lot of the latter and i don't want to be 'that guy' but if i were working for the GOP i'd figure we might as well start sowing discord/ kneecapping potentially strong Dem contenders ASAP.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
the people who claim everything is related to russia and every person on twitter is a russian bot are a cancer
― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
although I did enjoy the acrobatics when it was revealed Shareblue has been paying for a bunch of questionable twitter retweets
obviously it's a russian double-blind to entrap them
― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
Interesting question is to what degree Biden's entry clears the 'establishment' field, with sub-query regarding his reported consideration of a ticket candidacy, the likelihood of which seems highly questionable.
― Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
expanded medicare/healthcare for all or im not voting. Dems been hyping health reform since the 90s. its a dealbreaker.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
https://apnews.com/df86b8eace314fa6ab384dae96780fd2/Flake-eyes-2020-primary-challenge-to-stop-Trump
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 16 March 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
My distinguished record of challenging trump involves some strongly worded speeches and voting for every fucking thing he supports
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 16 March 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
romney is the one i'm concerned about.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 16 March 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
concern about what? he's just about got Orin's Utah senate seat in the bag. if he runs against Trump, it will be an echo of Teddy vs. Jimmy in 1980.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 16 March 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
And also for all of my degenerate friends:https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures
although I like this, because it's graphicalhttps://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/democratic-party-presidential-nominee-odds/
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
Didn't realize Beto had so much money.
― nickn, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:25 (four years ago) link