There’s a difference to me between returning to the style that people liked more and going ‘back to basics’ which is a much more authenticity based move
― President Keyes, Saturday, 10 March 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
back to basics shd only be used when ppl go back to, like, gregorian chants.
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 10 March 2018 01:12 (six years ago) link
Or do they come back to computers after going "natural" ?Maybe Depeche Mode would be an example of thissurely the electronic version of this is : 'we dug out all our old analogue equipment/modular synths for this album ... '
surely the electronic version of this is : 'we dug out all our old analogue equipment/modular synths for this album ... '
Not following a "natural" release, but... 'All You Need is Now' certainly makes this move, down to making sure there's the "Girls on Film" one, "The Chauffeur" one, etc... a wholly unnecessary self-flagellation for the fan uproar over 'Red Carpet Massacre'.
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 10 March 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
Dylan's "back to basics" was incontrovertibly the World Gone Wrong / Good As I Been to You double - obscure folk standards, Dylan + guitar, recorded in his garage. Laid the foundation for Time Out of Mind - "Love and Theft" - Modern Times so, time well spent.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, 10 March 2018 07:18 (six years ago) link
Time wasted actually listening to the fuckers though.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Saturday, 10 March 2018 09:48 (six years ago) link
I love them
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, 10 March 2018 11:43 (six years ago) link
yah me too
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 March 2018 12:19 (six years ago) link
i think it's mostly marketing. on the contrary i can't think of many albums who were promoting as being daring and experimental. the music industry is inherently conservative (hence reliance on the btb trope)
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 10 March 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
Iirc some Radiohead members said this twice. Once when recording Hail to the Thief (something about recording it in California in a few days and releasing it without overthinking it like their past records) and another for In Rainbows (something about going back to a rock band dynamic)... cant find the quotes though.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 10 March 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
Yorke told MTV: "The last two studio records were a real headache. We had spent so much time looking at computers and grids, we were like, that's enough, we can't do that any more. This time, we used computers, but they had to actually be in the room with all the gear. So everything was about performance, like staging a play."[12]
― new noise, Saturday, 10 March 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
The Guess Who in 1972: they weren't really an aging rock act, but Bachman was gone and their best stuff was behind them. Rockin' from that year definitely fits this thread. The Guess Who had had pop hits, had a social-concern hit ("Share the Land"), and had dabbled in psychedelia (sometimes brilliantly--"No Sugar Tonight"--sometimes laughably) by that point, and clearly they wanted to align themselves with that Sha Na Na/Elvis and Chuck Berry on the radio again/American Graffiti/Richard Nader '50s revival thing happening. The album had a doo-wop style medley that included "Sea of Love," other throwback-sounding stuff, and "Heartbroken Bopper" (which I heard on the radio today), seemingly about a John Milner-type high school burnout. (Also more social concern with "Guns, Guns, Guns" and "Big Smoke Factory.") I'd love to dig up interviews from that time; I guarantee Cummings would have been piling on the back-to-basics platitudes in every one of them. I think Rockin' was probably the second LP I ever walked up to the cash and bought myself, after the Partridge Family's debut.
― clemenza, Sunday, 18 March 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
"The Rockin' album…best GW time of my entire GW time…we started getting drum sounds about noon on Monday, and we turned in the finished, mixed masters about 3 p.m. on Friday."
― niels, Monday, 19 March 2018 12:27 (six years ago) link
who the hell thinks "No Sugar Tonight" is psychedelic???
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
Me! Not so much sound--I mean, it doesn't exactly swirl--but certainly subject matter...it's not actually about coffee, I don't think. And it does rely heavily on atmospherics. It gets its own page on the Trippy Me website--I mean, how much more psychedelic does it get than that? Call it a Western-Canadian prairie-head version of psychedelia, if you will. We do things differently up here.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
hmmm, i guess things are more psychedelic here 400 miles south of Winnepeg, we had Crow and The Litter back then
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
Even Bruce Gilbert, interview from 1999:
I thought it would be an interesting and amusing thing to see if Wire were actually put in a position where we would have to play for a quarter of an hour or something. What would it do now? The curiosity factor is still there. I think for everybody, but, apparently, not for Robert. I don't play guitar anymore, but I still have a curiosity about what would happen if the four of us got back to basics. What would happen if four people got into a room with limited means--limited musical ability--what would they do?
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 2 April 2018 12:52 (five years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=bOELnR2vb-8
15 seconds in
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
haha, love it
― niels, Saturday, 5 May 2018 12:38 (five years ago) link
Nice find, kurt.
― how's life, Saturday, 5 May 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2018/10/st-vincent-on-masseducation.html
One of the great things about being such good friends with somebody is we didn’t talk about what we were gonna do. Thomas is a genius, so it’s not like he had to sit and practice the songs. He would listen to it one time and then go, “Okay, I got it.” He was at the grand piano in a big room, and I was on a couch, kind of sitting and kind of in a fetal position, in front of a mic. No headphones, just two people in a room discovering the songs. None of my attention was bifurcated on a guitar part. I got to live in the moment. Everything that I’d written and all the stories were right there in my chest.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link
very nice
― niels, Thursday, 25 October 2018 06:25 (five years ago) link
i wonder if, after the singularity, various AI bots will eventually come around to a "back to the basics" approach as well.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Thursday, 25 October 2018 06:27 (five years ago) link
Just four bots in a chatroom, jamming.
― (I'm Always Touched by Your) Presence, Beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link
"We tried to take it back to when music was real: when the robots were imitating humans, not just other robots."
― President Keyes, Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link
that's more or less the concept of the latest 0PN record
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link
after the singularity robot musicians will be cycling from three-chord basics to sprawling prog epics hundreds of thousands of times a second, it's gonna be lit
― la bébé du nom-nom (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:00 (five years ago) link
Categorizing that St. Vincent quote as merely a “back to basics” thing seems to diminish what she’s actually talking about.
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
Rob Halford: https://www.bandwagon.asia/articles/judas-priest-s-rob-halford-on-the-band-s-legacy-babymetal-returning-to-singapore-and-more
Over the course of the past five decades, has the band changed the way it works in the studio?The one really unusual, well, not really unusual... but it's definitely something we had not done in a long time was actually being in the studio together, playing as a band. As time went on, technology has made it such that you can build a record piece by piece and layer one thing over another so you don't need the entire band there for a session. But we decided to go back to our roots and earlier style of recording and did it as one unit.
The one really unusual, well, not really unusual... but it's definitely something we had not done in a long time was actually being in the studio together, playing as a band. As time went on, technology has made it such that you can build a record piece by piece and layer one thing over another so you don't need the entire band there for a session. But we decided to go back to our roots and earlier style of recording and did it as one unit.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link
haha now that one's otm!
xp I think it's all just good fun?
― niels, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:23 (five years ago) link
morrisp yeah it’s not a pure example of this phenomenon I just giggled at the appearance of “x people in a room”
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link
I really want to go back to the sound this thread had when it first started, the roots of the idea, just strip away all the extra stuff, I don't want to say raw, but there was an immediacy in those first couple months and we've gotten away from that, I think it'd be cool to see what could happen if we
― mick signals, Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
Just 4 Ilxors in a room jamming
― calstars, Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
lol
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
Yeah sorry if I sounded bitchy
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
No worries! I'm listening to MassEducation right now tbh
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Just a hint of back to basics and being a real band from both John and Ringo at the very start of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG85fF-CZBI
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 9 November 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
haha, indeed! although Let it Be is their real back to basics album...
― niels, Friday, 9 November 2018 10:02 (five years ago) link
yup. "no overdubs, maaan".
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 9 November 2018 10:33 (five years ago) link
was Let it Be the first "back to basics" rock album?
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 13:50 (five years ago) link
maybe Dylan got there first
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link
There had been 'back-to-basics' albums before that but maybe not with the 'four guys in a room' narrative - except The Band s/t was kind of 'four guys in a room'.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 13:55 (five years ago) link
I always think of the Beach Boys' "Wild Honey" as being an early back-to-basics album ... but it's the Beach Boys so it's debatable how much conceptualizing was actually involved.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
The Band was more a back-to-basics group from the get-go. It's not like they had much to come back from after the first album
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 13:59 (five years ago) link
Yes, but the 2nd album was, you know what, why don't us four five guys just get together and play and record in Sammy Davis Jr's poolhouse a room?
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
sure. I think this is a philosophical difference though. Like, to me, for a band to have one of these moments they have to have slipped away from their original sound into big production/artiness or whatever and then make the "back to basics" move.
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
Oh yes, I agree, but it could be deciding not to record in expensive studios and instead to woodshed in Sammy Davis Jr's woodshed, er, poolhouse, for instance - and I think that definitely influenced other musicians and bands at the time.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
John Wesley Hardin, Let it Be, Beggars Banquet
― niels, Monday, 12 November 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link
wrt John Wesley Harding, there was no overdubbing on any Dylan record until 1969 (or so he claims) because, by his own admission, he didn't know what it was or that it was possible. He'd listen to something like Sgt. Pepper and assume it was all cut live, because that's just how records are made.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
I'm wondering if there's an overlap with the old Getting It Together In The Country thing.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
or if there are any instances of the Getting It Together In The Country Thing also being the Big Production/Artiness thing at the same time
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link