2018 NBA Awards Predix & MVPoll

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oh yeah forgot about him

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:46 (one year ago) link

MVP - harden, though I think davis and even curry could make a run at it
DPOY - no real opinion on this one, almost want to give it to roberson
RPY - only two acceptable choices here, I favor simmons
6MOY - lou will made it
MIP - oladipo
COY - casey will win, but I don't have a strong opinion

k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 March 2018 22:01 (one year ago) link

roberson would probably have won it but seeing how bad they are w out him has upped his stock a ton. im not even sure who else is in the hunt?

gobert missed too much time prob.
Jrue holiday has been on a tear but idk
Pg13? idk theyve been so bad
giannis?
brow?
marcus smart or horford?
durant had some traction to start the year but he's been on cruise control in 4th gear for a while now.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 22:21 (one year ago) link

i stan for roberson but i think he will miss too many games this year to get the award.

micah, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:19 (one year ago) link

gobert should be on the dpoy list imo. dray is probs the frontrunner atm tho he has regresed across the board and gsw defence has been inconsistent

micah, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:20 (one year ago) link

i def have heard a lot of buzz around embiid for dpoy, seems early but whatcha gonna do he's a dang beast

Clay, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:26 (one year ago) link

draymond the gm is in full recruiting mode
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXzgUdMV4AEasPE.jpg

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 9 March 2018 00:08 (one year ago) link

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System, Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

MVP - harden
DPOY - gobert? horford?
ROY - mitchell
6MOY - lou
MIP - dipo
COY - brother brad

lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:16 (one year ago) link

i pretty much agree with the above but have no idea how DPOY shakes out and figure d'antoni has a shot at COY

Clay, Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:47 (one year ago) link

or yeah casey forgot about casey

Clay, Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:47 (one year ago) link

this is the ballot im sending in as a voting member of the press

mvp - kawhi leonard
dpoy - deangelo russell
roy - lonzo ball
6moy - devin harris
mip - lonzo ball (first rookie to ever win roy and mip)
coy - erik spoelstra

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:57 (one year ago) link

Very accurate but not enough spurs tbf

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:00 (one year ago) link

casey should be coy

call all destroyer, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:10 (one year ago) link

MVP - harden will take it tho i find his flopping ahorrent and would happily vote elsewhere

DPOY - gobert, i think 50 games is enough
ROY - mitchell (i hope)
6MOY - lou
MIP - dipo
COY - casey, though he will be exposed again in the playoffs

micah, Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:08 (one year ago) link

Kinda hearing some mcmillan talk for coy, not like he should be #1 but may be worth a few top 3 votes. He’s def surprised me.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:18 (one year ago) link

yeah he changed his style along with the times, impressive for sure

lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:22 (one year ago) link

i think the pacers team talent is being used about as well as you could hope for yeah

micah, Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:56 (one year ago) link

I voted Harden MVP. He's been a bridesmaid several times now and set himself up to win this time. Brow ought to pick up a few votes from Harden haters. LeBron will get his votes from his devotees, but... (shrug) nah.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 15 March 2018 04:30 (one year ago) link

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System, Friday, 16 March 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

seems pretty conclusive

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:02 (one year ago) link

hah

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:05 (one year ago) link

nobody mentioned my DPOY pick, a fella named Kevin

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:06 (one year ago) link

durant? (mentioned by me upthread if so)

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:08 (one year ago) link

wow the hivemind truly rules ilh

Clay, Friday, 16 March 2018 00:09 (one year ago) link

oh yes there it is

i feel that he's been better than draymond by quite a bit

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:10 (one year ago) link

he was for a while but they kinda reversed about halfway through imo. KD been a little more lax and dray's turned it up.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:14 (one year ago) link

MVP - LaMarcus Aldridge and Kawhi Leonard (tie 1st)
DPOY - Kyle Anderson
6th - Manu Ginobili
COY - Gregg Popovich
MIP - Dejounte Murray
ROY - Derrick White

spursfan69, Friday, 16 March 2018 00:16 (one year ago) link

kyle anderson is a steals maniac, good shot blocker too. wonder what kind of defensive numbers he would put up if he played starter minutes.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:18 (one year ago) link

kyle has started 54 of the 60 games he's played fyi

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:20 (one year ago) link

didnt realize he was playing 27 minutes a game this season. cool

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 01:17 (one year ago) link

well, when kawhi and rudy have both been out, their SF slot has been pretty thin. he even occasionally starts at PF with 3 Gs

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:07 (one year ago) link

a guy who should get 6MOY votes but might not: nick vanvleet

was thinking today about how guys like macmillan and scotty brooks don't get the COY buzz mainly because of their bad reputations lol

k3vin k., Friday, 16 March 2018 02:57 (one year ago) link

lol fred* vanvleet

k3vin k., Friday, 16 March 2018 02:57 (one year ago) link

Franks been awesome

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 03:01 (one year ago) link

van vleet should be in the 6man running altho i don't think he has the raw stats for it. he plays in crunch time for the 3rd best team in the league and that should count.

call all destroyer, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:08 (one year ago) link

dpoy

Draymond Green. Defense. Good. pic.twitter.com/GOD4bNqjU2

— Drew Shiller (@DrewShiller) March 17, 2018

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Sunday, 18 March 2018 06:25 (one year ago) link

James Harden doesn’t want any DNP-rest nights down the stretch of the regular season. “I’m good, I wanna play,” Harden said.

— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) March 23, 2018


aka i can hear the rumblings about brow and im not letting this mvp chance slip away

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 03:20 (one year ago) link

fwiw harden is known for wanting to play

lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 05:27 (one year ago) link

also known for whining about not winning mvp

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 05:55 (one year ago) link

yeah i mean im not saying he doesnt want it

lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:01 (one year ago) link

just think maybe he should be focused on not breaking down in the playoffs again.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 06:04 (one year ago) link

wld be wise for sure

lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:05 (one year ago) link

not like he cldnt take a game or two off and still win it too

lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:06 (one year ago) link

they've got a pretty easy schedule it would be dumb not to sit him against some of those teams

Clay, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:07 (one year ago) link

also got home court wrapped m/l

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 06:08 (one year ago) link

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

interesting that the MVP tracker tool on bkref has cp3 and steph 2 and 3 despite all the time they've missed

k3vin k., Monday, 26 March 2018 02:32 (one year ago) link

stephs advanced numbers this year were on par with his unanimous mvp year. dude is shooting nearly 60% from 2p

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 26 March 2018 04:15 (one year ago) link

awww i hope dejounte gets chosen!

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 6 April 2018 00:27 (one year ago) link

there's this guy who's clearly the superior player on both offense and defense, but let's vote for the inefficient high volume scorer on a dominant defensive team

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:30 (one year ago) link

wuut mitchell has been absolutely amazing the leading scorer on a team thats won like 30 of 34 or something its crazy, wldnt be surprised if simmons wins tho as philly has gone on a run of their own w embiid out and he obvs has the higher ceiling, theyve both had in some ways unpresidented seasons, in most years what tatums done wld be enough to win it and no ones even talking abt him, fwiw its morally and logically correct to dock simmons points for red shirting

lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:36 (one year ago) link

simmons has prob caught up to how he wld be playing if he played last year at this point

lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:52 (one year ago) link

it’s true mitchell has been the leading scorer on a really good team whose biggest strength is their defense, this was essentially the argument for d rose iirc — but simmons has just clearly been better. I’m not a huge fan of the “imagine if these two players switched teams” voting tactic because so much of production is situation dependent, but I mean if these two switched teams I think it’s pretty clear that the sixers would suffer more

pretty much all the stats suggest mitchell is a...nice 21 year old player while simmons is a legit star btw

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:56 (one year ago) link

i'd prob vote simmons but that's an undersell of mitchell. if he gets to the line a bit more and gets a little more accurate from 3 he's going to be as good at scoring as any guard in the nba outside the top 4 or so.

call all destroyer, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

in general and in conjunction with the point I was making about jokic in the reg season thread earlier we are just not very great at using the eye test to weight different basketball skills in assessing a players overall value, players who get buckets are always going to be overvalued and people who do little things and play defense are always going to be relatively undervalued. I think the eye test happens to support simmons anyway and the stats suggest it's not close but things like he's the leading scorer on a good team that sound so intuitively right are hard to people to shake loose

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:03 (one year ago) link

mitchell def has the potential to be a star, tho tbh simmons is already there and his ceiling seems to be MVP candidate and in the not too distant future, anyway the discussion is about this year and simmons is the better player

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:04 (one year ago) link

creating shots is the single most valuable nba skill u need to put those old musty nerd opinions in storage

lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:07 (one year ago) link

I agree it's important but being better at it does not mean the player is necessarily better, hence my point about weighting and how we are bad at it

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:10 (one year ago) link

hitting home runs is the best thing a baseball player can do but it does not necessarily mean that the guy who hits the most home runs is the best player or even the best hitter, makes u think

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:12 (one year ago) link

none of this is to say mitchell hasn't had a sick year, he has, but simmons is way better and we should give the award to the better dude imo

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:16 (one year ago) link

i agree that hes been better and will prob win but i think mitchell has been great and also i think simmons shd be disqualified for redshirting

lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:24 (one year ago) link

this breakdown of defensive positional guarding percentages is super cool: https://public.tableau.com/profile/knarsu3#!/vizhome/DefensivePositions/Dashboard1

Check out Ben Simmons

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 9 April 2018 20:34 (one year ago) link

ha yeah pretty evenly distributed as you might expect

k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:38 (one year ago) link

hard to argue with any of those picks, tho I’m agnostic on coach of the year

k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:27 (one year ago) link

I’m more and more convinced that an MVP vote for lebron is basically indefensible.

k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

lowe’s love of raw plus-minus stats but not adjusted plus-minus stats bugs me tho lol

k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link

i'm disinclined to reward any of the coaches that ended up in the 3-8 western conference mess with a CoY vote.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:58 (one year ago) link

I just don’t think we know enough about coaching value and voting on it is silly

k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:03 (one year ago) link

most of these awards are dumb but COY seems the dumbest behind MIP

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:29 (one year ago) link

My defense of a lebron vote would be solely that he is still great and it would be a make up award for some previous years

I wouldn’t actually vote for him though with harden existing this year

gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:31 (one year ago) link

Having to completely remake lebrons custom built team around him midstream is also a serious strike against any real mvp candidacy too as lowe goes into extensively

gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:35 (one year ago) link

he was prob the worst defender in the league this year

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:54 (one year ago) link

Aw cmon that’s not true

He was the worst defender in the league for like six weeks tops

gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:58 (one year ago) link

i understand conserving yr energy but i feel like he cldve balanced it a lil better between offense and defense

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

he def wasn't the worst, he's about average over 82 games a this point probably tho def very good when he dials it in

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 April 2018 01:06 (one year ago) link

dialed it in for prob 10mins this season the rest he took off he was really exceptionally bad, its not a coincidence the cavs were also insanely bad

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 April 2018 02:43 (one year ago) link

yeah we are in general agreement that his defense is not great overall

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 April 2018 03:03 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/sports/nba-dwane-casey-raptors-coach-of-the-year.html

In a vote of his peers, Dwane Casey of the Toronto Raptors has been selected as the National Basketball Coaches Association’s coach of the year for the 2017-18 season — while Brad Stevens of the Boston Celtics stunningly failed to win a single vote from fellow coaches.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:32 (one year ago) link

Perfect timing

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:42 (one year ago) link

lol i knew it

ciderpress, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:09 (one year ago) link

oh wait thats the peer award still i think the real one will have the same outcome

ciderpress, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:10 (one year ago) link

very weird

k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:29 (one year ago) link

2018 NBA All-Defensive teams:

First team: Rudy Gobert, Anthony Davis, Victor Oladipo, Jrue Holiday, Robert Covington.

Second team: Joel Embiid, Draymond Green, Al Horford, Dejounte Murray, Jimmy Butler.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) May 23, 2018

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:40 (one year ago) link

huh, dipo?

k3vin k., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:29 (one year ago) link

heard rumblings of his defense being amazing this year. covington over draymond seems a little suspect to me. but fair enough, he deserves a lot of credit and dray was cruising at 80% all year.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:53 (one year ago) link

almost surprised roberson didn't make it even tho he only played 35 games or so

Clay, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 23:58 (one year ago) link

dejounte!!!

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:09 (one year ago) link

al shdve been first team

sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:17 (one year ago) link

ALL NBA
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-zN6-VMAAjELY.jpg

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:18 (one year ago) link

Lillard first team O__o

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:19 (one year ago) link

these, wld not be my lists lol

sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:28 (one year ago) link

mine wld just be 15 marcus smarts

sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:29 (one year ago) link

On the bright side, we don’t have to hear about Dame not getting any respect ever again.

— A.K ⚖️ (@Kungu_NBA) May 24, 2018

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:29 (one year ago) link

don't understand how KAT could make it after the year he's had.

who's out here voting for TREVOR ARIZA for all-nba?

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:49 (one year ago) link


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