battle of the hoops unicorns

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Admittedly haven't seen a whole lot of him, but from what I have seen he strikes me as lacking qualities that old dudes like me value: heart, toughness, fire, things of that nature. I can't see building a champ-caliber team around him.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

The unanswered question on KAT: is he Shaq-style unserious or Dwight-style unserious?

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link

i was down on kat bigtime upthread for playing some of the worst defense ever but since then hes been totally better that fast improvement is heartening imho, on the flipside zingers stock is fn down exhaustion then injury does not bode well

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link

yeah man zinger has dropped significantly.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link

i voted

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link

it’s fuckin embiid btw

k3vin k., Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link

it’s fuckin embiid btw

k3vin k., Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link

yup

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:02 (five years ago) link

embiid prob wld win unanimously if not for the injury concerns

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:05 (five years ago) link

this is the minors tho the real poll is giannis v brow

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link

brow is def above giannis atm

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:10 (five years ago) link

lot of ppl like giannis long term tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link

simmons
embiid
giannis
brow

might make a good pt 2

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link

hmmm now you have to make the poll thats the rules

k3vin k., Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:23 (five years ago) link

ill wait to see who wins this one then bump them up to the bigs

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link

eesh

Knicks owner James Dolan says Kristaps Porzingis may miss all of next season while he recovers from ACL surgery. 😱 https://t.co/LhYBNKqbcZ pic.twitter.com/aAs8qana1f

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) April 19, 2018

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link

wtf, complications or is just cos he's a giant? horrible news.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link

sounds like it cld just be dolan running his mouth tbh

“I’ve been told everything from December to him being out for the season, so I don’t know what to expect on that,” Dolan told the New York Post’s Larry Brooks this week. “But we can’t just sit on our ass while he’s away. We need to develop a team and then integrate him into it when he comes back.”

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link

love when dolan gets more involved

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link

he shd def take on the project of developing a team

lag∞n, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 20 April 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link

battle of the hoops unicorns —2—

lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

jokic last huh

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link

I am shocked to think ilh may have failed to accurately predict the future

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 27 October 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link

the thing u have to be able to do is project into the future

― lag∞n, Monday, December 25, 2017 3:28 PM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Saturday, 27 October 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link

told u but u dont listen

lag∞n, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link

i definitely voted for jokic here even though there's no proof

ciderpress, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link

unicornism is out of style now

lag∞n, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

jokic

k3vin k., Monday, 14 January 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

just gonna post "jokic" to this thread every couple of weeks now to let everyone know that I always believed in and continue to support big honey

k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link

jokic averaging 25.5/12.2/8.5 this month on a .606 TS%, frankly absurd stuff

k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

http://bkref.com/tiny/oJa02

the 20-7-7 club :o

k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

im glad he's figuring out how to be assertive and act like he knows he's the best player on the court on most nights.

marcos smart (Spottie), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...
one year passes...

just gonna post "jokic" to this thread every couple of weeks now to let everyone know that I always believed in and continue to support big honey

― k3vin k., Monday, January 28, 2019 2:37 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

k3vin k., Monday, 7 June 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link

credit where its due kevin said jokic and he was right

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link

but on the other hand he only said it because jokic plays for his team

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link

kevin started saying jokic then everyone started saying it now hes gonna be mvp and hes still a beefy boi, gotta love it

class project pat (m bison), Monday, 7 June 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link

technically i was the first person on this board to believe in jokic

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link

also i only said zinger itt for fun

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link

reread the first half of this thread and my my how much has changed in 3 and a half short interminable years

Clay, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link

it’s fuckin embiid btw

― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Kev you voted embiid tho

Spottie, Monday, 7 June 2021 05:28 (two years ago) link

kinda crazy they are pretty close. embiid was the mvp favorite for a massive chunk of the season up until his injury.

Spottie, Monday, 7 June 2021 05:29 (two years ago) link

I think embiid was on a tear as soon as the poll was about to close or something lol

k3vin k., Monday, 7 June 2021 09:42 (two years ago) link

lmao the terrible truth comes out

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 11:11 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

h0lling3r:


Nikola Jokic is that dude

It’s all well and good that we have some other things to entertain us, like Steph Curry doing Steph things with a real team around him in Golden State and the DeMar DeRozan-led Bulls trucking teams in the East.

Just don’t lose sight of the big picture, folks: Jokic is still the most effective regular-season player in basketball. Voters seemingly reluctantly gave him the MVP last year and again appear to be scanning the universe for alternatives, and it may be harder to convince them after seeing Curry go amazeballs on Tuesday in the league’s most prominent TV game of the season.

People: I get the Stephmania and all because the Warriors have been unbelievable (and we’ll get to that soon here), but for the love of all that is holy, would you please stop dismissing Jokic? He’s basically a 7-foot point guard at this point, dragging an injury-riddled Denver team to competence.

Yet we’ve heard comparatively little Jokic banter thus far, despite the fact that through 13 games, his PER of 35.4 ranks … (checks notes) … first all-time.

All. Time.

By a wide margin, actually — the all-time best heading into this year was 31.86 by Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2019-20. It’s only 13 games, and maybe Jokic’s numbers will dip as the year goes on, but nothing about his start has seemed particularly fluky or weird.

Even relative to the other four players who have been notably awesome in the early part of the season, Jokic has been on a completely different level (see chart).

Advanced stats: Jokic vs. errrrbody
PER BPM TS% ON-OFF DIFF.
Nikola Jokic
35.4
14.5
66.5
25.8
Kevin Durant
29.6
8.4
68.2
11.9
Giannis Antetokounmpo
29.1
8.9
56.7
23.7
Jimmy Butler
29.0
9.8
62.5
-1.6
Steph Curry
26.9
8.5
62.0
19.9
We’re blessed with some awesome players right now, but in terms of production, it’s The Joker’s world. Yet, reading the tea leaves, it already seems very possible Jokic won’t repeat as MVP due to some combination of voter boredom and embarrassing oversight.

(Also, while we’re here: It is an unconscionable, embarrassing mistake that Jokic was left off the league’s top 75 players of all-time list, just to leave room for misty-eyed wistfulness about the fourth-best players on Lakers, Celtics and Knicks teams of yore. “Sure, this Jokic fella is good, but he’s no Dave DeBusschere.”)

The breadth of what The Joker is doing is overwhelming. Skill-wise, he’s the best passer in the league, but he’s also second in rebounding; oh, and he’s shooting 38.3 percent on 3s. And — get this — he’s sixth in scoring, while very nearly leading the league in 2-point shooting percentage at 66.3 percent.

Defensively, he’s less off-the-charts awesome, but his IQ and giant mitts still make him effective. (Fun fact: Jokic has more steals than Giannis, Trae Young or Kevin Durant. He’s in the league’s top 50 in both steal and block rate.) The Nuggets, quietly, are third in the NBA in defensive efficiency despite missing multiple key players, which sort of neutralizes the “WuT AbOUt hIs D?” angle.

In addition to having the best individual stats in the league, Jokic’s impact stats are borderline hilarious. The Nuggets are plus-14.2 points per 100 possessions when he plays, minus-11.6 when he sits, nearly a 26-point swing depending on whether he’s in the game.

The eye test backs up the numbers. He’s steadily improved his doughy physique and now moves better than ever, gliding past opponents in transition and making guard-like moves closer to the rim. As a roller, it’s been interesting to see him use long strides and (gasp!) athleticism to get chances close to the rim rather than ambling into jump hooks like he used to.

And mixed in, of course, are assorted displays of a rare basketball genius. He’s reinventing the game on the fly, doing stuff no big man has ever done and adding to the repertoire as he goes. Oh, here, let me just whip this one-handed, no-look, pick-and-roll dish to a driving Aaron Gordon:

Here’s another clip from the weekend that I kept rewinding before I just threw up my hands and realized I was dealing with some completely different species of basketball player.

Jokic never looked to his left on this play. Not once. He also didn’t have the ball and, in fact, had his back facing Will Barton in the seconds leading up to this pass. Yet somehow he knew, before the ball ever arrived, that Barton was open in the left corner and immediately snapped the ball there.

How did he know this?

Even as the Nuggets scuffle along in fits and starts through early injuries and bad bench units, Jokic has been unbelievable. Night to night, he’s not just the most effective player in the league, but he also makes at least one mind-blowing play every single game … and everyone just kind of ignores it and goes about the day. Playing in the Rocky Horror Time Zone doesn’t help, but it’s still weird. It doesn’t help that the league still markets him like he’s Mason Plumlee.

Fans of good basketball: Appreciate this guy. He is an awesome, generational talent at the absolute peak of his powers.

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link

It doesn’t help that the league still markets him like he’s Mason Plumlee.

No marketing genius could cast a spell of glamour over this guy, no matter how hard they tried. His skill set is awesome, but he's heavyset, has a permanently red nose and a face only his mother could love. He doesn't remotely look the part of an awesome athlete because his game isn't really based on speed, grace and power, but on fantastic court vision, super-efficient decision making and incredible finesse. His highlight reel shows him standing still more often than not, either glued to one spot or lumbering around slowly, then threading an amazing pass to a teammate. Plus, he's a Slav, not an All-American boy, talks with a funny accent, and looks permanently sullen.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link

also I think most people would be terrified if they were to ever actually him

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link


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