The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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*yawn*

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 11:34 (six years ago) link

pretty dull all around but good on him for giving the Anchoress a slot. the Libertines?

akm, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:23 (six years ago) link

Good on him for bringing The Church aboard. Their latest album is fantastic and I always saw them as somewhat kindred spirits with The Cure so this is cool.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:33 (six years ago) link

Hi folks,

An Amazon mix up means I now have two copies of the Pornography and The Top deluxe editions.

I'm happy to send them to the first EU Ilxor who PMs me. This site allows private messages, right?

Sorry non-Europeans, but shipping elsewhere becomes difficult.

― Duke, Sunday, 18 June 2017 23:13 (eight months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is still the case. Do get in touch for free CDs

Duke, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link

The CDs are now spoken for. Thanks.

Duke, Thursday, 8 March 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link

'Torn Down'
Presented as a 2LP picture disc set in a die-cut gatefold sleeve with a download voucher.

A1: Three Imaginary Boys – Help Me Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:21 )
A2: M – Attack Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:07 )
A3: The Drowning Man – Bright Birds Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:29 )
A4: A Strange Day – Drowning Waves Mix by Robert Smith ( 5:05 )

B1: Just One Kiss – Remember Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:57 )
B2: Shake Dog Shake – New Blood Mix by Robert Smith ( 5:11 )
B3: A Night Like This – Hello Goodbye Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:24 )
B4: Like Cockatoos – Lonely In The Rain Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:49 )

C1: Plainsong – Edge Of The World Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:33 )
C2: Never Enough – Time To Kill Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:34 )
C3: From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea – Love In Vain Mix by Robert Smith ( 6:21 )
C4: Want – Time Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:44 )

D1: The Last Day of Summer – 31st August Mix by Robert Smith ( 5:44 )
D2: Cut Here – If Only Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:25 )
D3: Lost – Found Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:59 )
D4: It’s Over – Whisper Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:54 )

I'm not interested in the Mixed Up remaster, but this looks intriguing.

Ex Slacker, Wednesday, 21 March 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link

I like the titles of those mixes!

The Last Day of Summer – 31st August Mix by Robert Smith

^ Particularly this one!

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link

Intrigued but apprehensive since I dont really trust Robert's taste anymore. I also suspect that some of these songs, the older ones, might be re-recordings with new (shouty) vocals.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link

Robert should re-mix everything from 1995 onwards by removing Jason Cooper's drum tracks and getting Boris Williams to replace 'em.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link

Robert's ears are so fucked now that this seems ominous. (And likely to sound even worse on picture disc.)

Still very keen to hear 'em, though.

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2018/04/10/robert-smith-meltdown-performance/

a two-hour performance by Smith at which he'll be "joined onstage by four of his curious friends to perform special interpretations based on a very particular selection of songs he has sung throughout the years"

groovypanda, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link

so a greatest hits set by the Cure, then

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link

Yes, but in Russian.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link

Mixed Up / Torn Down to be a triple-CD release, with a middle disc of 1980s and 1990 remixes:

DISC ONE : Mixed Up – Remastered

01: Lullaby – Extended Mix – 2018 remaster ( 7:43 )
02: Close To Me – Closer Mix – 2018 remaster ( 5:44 )
03: Fascination Street – Extended Mix – 2018 remaster ( 8:47 )
04: The Walk – Everything Mix – 2018 remaster ( 5:27 )
05: Lovesong – Extended Mix – 2018 remaster ( 6:19 )
06: A Forest – Tree Mix – 2018 remaster ( 6:55 )
07: Pictures of You – Extended Dub Mix – 2018 remaster ( 6:41 )
08: Hot Hot Hot!!! – Extended Mix – 2018 remaster ( 7:01 )
09: The Caterpillar – Flicker Mix – 2018 remaster ( 5:40 )
10: Inbetween Days – Shiver Mix – 2018 remaster ( 6:22 )
11: Never Enough – Big Mix – 2018 remaster ( 6:07 )

DISC TWO – Mixed Up Extras : Remixes 1982-1990

01: Let’s Go To Bed (Extended Mix 1982 – 2018 remaster) ( 7:44 )
02: Just One Kiss (Extended Mix 1982 – 2018 remaster) ( 7:15 )
03: Close To Me (Extended Remix 1985 – 2018 remaster) ( 6:31 )
04: Boys Don’t Cry (New Voice Club Mix 1986 – 2018 remaster) ( 5:29 )
05: Why Can’t I Be You? (Extended Mix 1987 – 2018 remaster) ( 8:07 )
06: A Japanese Dream (12″ Remix 1987 – 2018 remaster) ( 5:47 )
07: Pictures of You (Extended Version 1990 – 2018 remaster) ( 8:06 )
08: Let’s Go To Bed (Milk Mix 1990 – 2018 remaster) ( 7:13 )
09: Just Like Heaven (Dizzy Mix 1990 – 2018 remaster) ( 3:42 )
10: Primary (Red Mix 1990 – 2018 remaster) ( 7:10 )
11: The Lovecats (TC & Benny Mix 1990 – 2018 remaster) ( 4:39 )

DISC THREE – Torn Down

01: Three Imaginary Boys – Help Me Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:21 )
02: M – Attack Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:07 )
03: The Drowning Man – Bright Birds Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:29 )
04: A Strange Day – Drowning Waves Mix by Robert Smith ( 5:05 )
05: Just One Kiss – Remember Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:57 )
06: Shake Dog Shake – New Blood Mix by Robert Smith ( 5:11 )
07: A Night Like This – Hello Goodbye Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:24 )
08: Like Cockatoos – Lonely In The Rain Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:49 )
09: Plainsong – Edge Of The World Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:33 )
10: Never Enough – Time To Kill Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:34 )
11: From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea – Love In Vain Mix by Robert Smith ( 6:21 )
12: Want – Time Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:44 )
13: The Last Day of Summer – 31st August Mix by Robert Smith ( 5:44 )
14: Cut Here – If Only Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:25 )
15: Lost – Found Mix by Robert Smith ( 3:59 )
16: It’s Over – Whisper Mix by Robert Smith ( 4:54 )

chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 19 April 2018 08:24 (six years ago) link

choice of tracks for torn down is interesting. if bob's theme was "deep cuts worth more attention" as it appears to be then we like a lot of the same cure songs.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 19 April 2018 13:34 (six years ago) link

Excited about having a remaster CD version of the original 12" remix of Just One Kiss. Intrigued (but dreading) the 2018 RS remixes.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 19 April 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link

So irritating they didn't include the original 12" mix of Primary.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 19 April 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link

Disc 3 has potential,,, always found Mixed Up to be a rather plodding affair.

bodacious ignoramus, Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link

I remember being so disappointed that an album of remixes is what followed Disintegration, which was the height of my Cure obsession... enjoyed the Never Enough 12" though. By the time Wish came out I had moved on. Still excited about the deluxe edition of Wish that should now be next!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link

Never Enough 12" was great. I still play Harold & Joe. Always preferred that to Never Enough. Loved Mixed Up on release though. It was great to get those mixes all on one disc.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 19 April 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link

Harold & Joe is a great song. Maybe a candidate for that Deep Cuts thread

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link

“Harold and Joe” is ridiculously good. The immediate _Disintegration_ follow on era had so many good studio, live and remix cuts all in a heap.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 April 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link

http://craigjparker.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-cure-announce-details-of-mixed-up.html

Get ready for 16 new remixes from Robert Smith

The Cure have announced details of the upcoming deluxe editions of ‘Mixed Up’ and ‘Torn Down’ – with new mixes. Check out the epic tracklist along with Robert Smith’s new remix of ‘Want’ below.

‘Torn Down’ serves as a sequel to The Cure’s Record Store Day release – a vinyl reissue of the band’s 1990 remix album, ‘Mixed Up’. Remixed by Smith himself and available across multiple formats, the release includes Cure classics such as ‘Lullaby’, ‘Close to Me’, ‘Pictures of You’, ‘Lovesong’, and ‘Why Can’t I Be You?’.

On ‘Mixed Up’, Smith singled out Brian ‘Chuck’ New’s dub style remix of ‘Pictures Of You’ as the muse for the record’s bold and adventurous direction.

“That mix turned the music on its head, but at the same time left the essential heart of the song intact,” he said. “As soon as I heard it, I updated the entire ‘Mixed Up’ plan. My revised ambition was to compile an album that was contemporary without being dated, immediate without being obvious, musically inspiring, rhythmically exciting and sonically great!”

Of the re-energising power of releasing ‘Mixed up’, Smith continued: “The whole of 1990 was essentially spent emerging from the shadow of Disintegration, and we managed to do it in a creatively satisfying way; by the end of the year, I couldn’t wait to start work on new songs for the next record”.

Speaking of ‘Torn Down’, Smith continued: “I wanted a 3-disc package, but we didn’t have enough ‘historic’ remixes – for a while I thought the ‘extra-extras’ CD would be Cure songs re-mixed by choice artists, rather than by choice re-mixers… that then got me thinking maybe I should have a go at one… so in early August 2017, I decided to experiment with ‘Three Imaginary Boys’. It is a pretty sparse multi-track; I pulled it apart at home and finished the initial re-mix in one session – and I really enjoyed the whole process”.

A release from the band adds: “By choosing favourite songs rather than the usual singles, one of Smith’s objectives was to illustrate the variety of the Cure catalogue, and by October of 2017 working on songs in chronological release order, he had remixed entirely the 16 songs that appear on ‘Torn Down: Mixed Up Extras 2018’.”

Mixed Up’s genesis came from the band’s Disintegration album and its accompanying global Prayer Tour. Released in 1989, Disintegration had delivered a triumphant end to the 80s, but the first year of the 90s found The Cure unexpectedly unsettled.

Determined to keep up the momentum of the band’s ongoing success, but knowing there were internal tensions to address before heading back into the studio, Robert Smith decided on a different course of action; curating an album of the band’s rarer 12” mixes. As work on Mixed Up progressed, Smith realised that some of The Cure’s earlier remixes didn’t stand up to the newer ones.

Two tracks on the album, ‘A Forest’ and ‘The Walk’, were not just remixed but entirely re-recorded, as the multi-track tapes for both songs had long been lost. Both songs were reconstructed in the studio with producer Mark Saunders, using original instruments and gear.

The band convened over five days in June 1990 to record a new track for Mixed Up. After a certain amount of fraught experimenting with beats, loops and sequenced bass lines, Smith decided to change the vibe. A demo entitled PhaseAGE that had previously been deemed ‘too rock’ was committed to tape as ‘Never Enough’ and was released as a single in September 1990. The ‘Closer Mix’ of ‘Close To Me’ soon followed this and both songs were accompanied by customarily deranged Tim Pope videos.

For the Torn Down cover, Smith decided on a self-portrait painted in oils during the summer of 1990 which was originally intended as the sleeve for Mixed Up. He chose Torn Down as the title for the ‘extra-extras’ album inspired by the way he had “torn down” ‘Never Enough’, stripping the song back to resemble his original 1990 PhaseAGE demo. “I felt it was a good way to bring the project back full circle…in a Mixed Up kind of way” he says.

Bee OK, Friday, 20 April 2018 00:25 (five years ago) link

Uh holy shit

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 20 April 2018 01:34 (five years ago) link

Well FINALLY.

Now it'll just be eight years until Wish.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 April 2018 02:47 (five years ago) link

Would love to listen to that remix but I'm a card carrying member of the "Fuck Spotify" Party. Anyone know if it's popped up elsewhere?

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link

which mix? is there something from this that already leaked?

akm, Friday, 20 April 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link

The Cure have announced details of the upcoming deluxe editions of ‘Mixed Up’ and ‘Torn Down’ – with new mixes. Check out the epic tracklist along with Robert Smith’s new remix of ‘Want’ below.

https://open.spotify.com/album/3IFvpSonQE96BozFYv4EWu

ArchCarrier, Friday, 20 April 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-srzgv6OYM

StanM, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link

Song is on Apple Music too. Pretty horrid on first listen

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 20 April 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link

Yeah that "baggy" rhythm is --- um --- yeah.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link

https://vimeo.com/266379545

Flowersdie, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link

wow this M! I'm going to danse the FUCK outta this one at the goth klubbe

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link

did he rerecord vocals for all these?

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link

ok nm these are the old vocals but wow they cleaned em up. lol @ the recorder on just one kiss. this is real fun so far.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link

wow, this is horrible. i'm so glad I didn't waste money on this in the store. can't believe they let this out with the Cure's name on it. It sounds like a very poor fan forum tribute compilation.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link

nah man its fine. and it def has robert's stamp on it. easter eggs all around too (he played the recorder during the top tour). but yah this wont sound good on computer speakers. these will play great at the goth klub.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link

can't believe they let this out with the Cure's name on it

ha ha who do you think "they" is in this sentence?

chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link

The Cure, but I don't think Robert Smith makes every decision. The record company had to approve it too. Clearly the Cure as an entity isn't fully in charge or RS wouldn't be doing that show as Robert Smith and Friends.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link

this project was all Robert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz-ZKCQJcf4

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:44 (five years ago) link

The Cure, but I don't think Robert Smith makes every decision.

RS is the owner, manager and sole voting partner of the business The Cure. Which 2018 record company do you think even could have an employee with the responsibility of protecting the Cure's legacy by not letting them put out a bad record?


also, reacting to Mixed Up 2 with "ugh this remix album is a stain on the band's legacy" is pretty funny :)

chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link

Clearly the Cure as an entity isn't fully in charge or RS wouldn't be doing that show as Robert Smith and Friends.

this is because he had already sold the 40th anniversary gig as being The Cure's only European show for 2018 (and Meltdown generally has several variant-from-usual performances by acts or curators)

chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link

finally!! a Cure album for everyone who wanted a bunch of classic back catalogue tracks to sound more like "Wrong Number"

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link

That's the beauty of opinions, I guess. I think it's terrible. I also think the remixes collected for the original Mixed Up are pretty great overall. Lots of good points being made, I don't know if a record company would turn down a Cure album, no matter how bad, but I'd like to think there was some type of quality control happening somewhere.

How does the Mixed Up remaster sound? I have the orignal 2LP set, but thought about getting the new pressing if it sounds better.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link

Also, I don't think it's a stain on their legacy. Not sure I said that, but it's not much of a stretch to get to there from what I did actually say. I'm a 'strictly nothing post-92' Cure fan, so their legacy was already stained in my opinion. I wasn't in love with Wish overall, despite loving a few songs on the album.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link

this is because he had already sold the 40th anniversary gig as being The Cure's only European show for 2018

counting on Brexit to get him off on a technicality

startled macropod (MatthewK), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link

I had high hopes given the tracklisting, but it's not good. umsworth OTM.

Flowersdie, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link

yeah, I'm just funning bcz so many reactions to Mixed Up 1 were "wtf, stain."

Wrong Number rules btw, one of maybe five great things they've done since Wish

chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link

not a fan of remix albums but will still probably buy on CDs and i don't buy CDs anymore. i have all the newer ones so i will keep going. i just listened to "Want" and i actually like it.

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 April 2018 00:53 (five years ago) link


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