US Politics, March 2018: Why do people leave the White House for good?

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is there a good link for Oklahoma donations yet?

sleeve, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link

Public education from pre-K through graduate / professional schools is horrendously underfunded throughout the country. It’s stupid and immiserating and obvious to almost every single person in the country.

However, like maintenance spending on infrastructure, the political rewards for fully funding education are seen as minor (read: “not worth it”) and they take longer than most terms of office to be realized. So again, as with infrastructure, there are perverse incentives to do new things and potentially highly disruptive things, but not to do simple shit like pay the fucking teachers a living wage and buy them some goddamn books and pens.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link

Aargh that first paragraph is terrible I need to not multitask while writing

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link

xpost

My question is still this: "High local taxes are correlated w/ high parent / PTA engagement. Low local taxes are correlated w/ low parent / PTA engagement" and why is this? It shouldn't fucking matter. Is this reflective of the voting base? I suppose partly it is; Berkeley, for instance, passes a supplemental funding bill that comes out of our property taxes all of which goes to fund schools (how they spend it is another matter that no one agrees on, but it does get passes, or has been passed, fairly regularly). Maybe I've answered my own question.

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link

I also cannot type or make coherent sense this morning. Good thing I'm not on twitter like the presidetn.

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link

One of the least known (by the public) and most catastrophic SCOTUS decisions:

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1972/71-1332

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link

Absolutely. It shouldn't matter. But the same advantages that make a district high-income in the first place are the ones that encourage effective parental interaction w/ the providers of their childrens' education. These things include the quality and extent of the parents' own education, economic and geographic stability, common language, community health, privilege of hiring teachers appropriate to their community (i.e. not under-trained white do-gooders right out of college), etc., etc...

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link

Jesus christ. Thanks for the link, Alfred but...jesus christ.

Did you ever see a doffin, did you (Old Lunch), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link

I don't recall that even being touched on in my college educational policy class.

Did you ever see a doffin, did you (Old Lunch), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link

seconding the ty for the link. i feel like a fool for not coming across oyez.org before! that is an incredible resource. *bookmarked*

One of the least known (by the public) and most catastrophic SCOTUS decisions:

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1972/71-1332

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, March 4, 2018 10:52 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*sees link, sees Alfred posted it*

this better fuckin be saisd v. rodriguez *clicks* fuck yeah

fun fact 1: i teach in the school district from which demetrio rodriguez filed the original suit in 68 which was spurred on by student walkouts. its 50 years later and our school is still 98% latinx (<1% white)

fun fact 2: saisd v rodriguez was the first case heard by all 4 of nixon's SCOTUS appointees (they all voted in the majority obv), initiating the reversal of decades of progressive jurisprudence

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link

what did she tweet? I saw this: "Meanwhile, teachers in West Virginia are on strike for better pay and healthcare. If they start voting for politicians who actually support those things, look out GOP." which, I'm not seeing what's so terrible about this.

― akm, Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:40 AM

there are like 10 things that are terrible about this just like everything she ever says. she is an awful human being. misplaces blame for low pay/inadequate healthcare coverage on teachers for their bad voting decisions, or assumes that there were politicians available to them to vote for who would have given them those things. implies voting is more powerful than going on strike when obviously striking has done more than voting for hypothetical politicians has ever done for them.

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link

also, plenty of WVa people have responded to remind her that many of the issues the teachers are currently facing originated with Dems like Manchin

Simon H., Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link

exactly. i'm a government employee making way less $ than i should be and someone once told me it was important to vote for governor to get a raise but they forgot that most of our pay freeze issues started with the last shitty democrat governor.

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link

yeeeep

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link

fun fact 2: saisd v rodriguez was the first case heard by all 4 of nixon's SCOTUS appointees (they all voted in the majority obv), initiating the reversal of decades of progressive jurisprudence

― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison),

yet Powell and Blackmun became "moderates" because Reagan's picks were even worse! It's insane.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link

I think teacher pay is also massively misunderstood and/or spun by districts, politicians, and pundits for the purpose of union-eroding. The semi-decent "average teacher salary" numbers that're busted out during each contract negotiation are essentially a mean total compensation package per full-time employee in each district. In other words, if a district announces their "average teacher salary" as $50k/year, what they are actually saying is that an average teacher paycheck in the district compensates the employee $50k/annum (less employees' mandatory health-care contribution, less mandatory 10-15% retirement/pension contribution, less insurance share, etc., less uncompensated classroom expenses, less taxes) and so an 'average' teacher might end up w/ $35k. However, the "average teacher salary" is far more than the majority of teachers in a system teachers make; it sure as heck ain't a median teacher salary. When you figure in longevity increases and incentives for additional degrees, it means that professionals at 15-20 years in their career are making (in total compensation) 1.5 x 2 as much as new employees on the top line of their pay check, and losing a much-smaller overall proportion to health, pension, insurance, etc.

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link

However, the "average teacher salary" is far more than the majority of teachers in a system teachers make;

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link

I don't know if this is still the case, but in our district schools that are less economically diverse, which is to say, relatively more affluent, are actually often at an academic disadvantage, because funding for kids who need more help reading or whatever does not kick in. So the more economically diverse school - again, relatively speaking - often might get 2 or 3 reading specialists, and our school, which is relatively less economically diverse, might just get one. Which is I suppose the way it should be, but just because a school is more or less economically diverse does not necessarily equate to a proportional number of kids who need extra help. For example, the better off school might have just as many kids who need extra help, they just don't get the funding for it because they are better off. And none of the schools, at least our district, is radically better than the other.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link

"I don't know if this is still the case, but in our district schools that are less economically diverse, which is to say, relatively more affluent, are actually often at an academic disadvantage, because funding for kids who need more help reading or whatever does not kick in." yes, same thing in California. (I thought i posted this but maybe not). it's run off who qualifies for free school lunches here (which they make us fill out at the beginning of the year). our son's elementary school lost this funding his last year because there weren't enough disadvantaged kids. that money paid for a number of additional programs (which the PTA then funded, luckily).

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link

From Alfred's link:

The Court refused to examine the system with strict scrutiny since there is no fundamental right to education in the Constitution...

ffs, this shitty line of reasoning could have invalidated Brown vs. Board of Education, too.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link

The Burger Court and the Rise of the Judicial Right is essential reading imo

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link

I'm going to let myself get my hopes up anyway, because what could feel worse than what happened in 2016?

Um, I get what you are saying but I am not sure how far I would go in applying that logic.

I could take a ball-peen hammer to my toenails right now, and it wouldn't feel worse than happened in 2016. That doesn't make it a good idea.

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link

yeah but man you're gonna get disappointed whether or not you get your hopes up, so why not get your hopes up? right?

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link

idk the feeling of being completely blindsided by the election results was a very sizable part of why I had a nervous breakdown that night

had (crüt), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:47 (six years ago) link

the question of whether it's worth getting your hopes up when you're going to get disappointed anyway is universal and unresolved imo

the dumbassery of hope

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link

idk the feeling of being completely blindsided by the election results was a very sizable part of why I had a nervous breakdown that night

― had (crüt)

sure i spent most of the day after uncontrollably shaking but my fear of how the election might turn out put me through several weeks of acute suicidal depression. i probably would've run into it after the election anyway - i do have a friend who killed himself in november 2016 - but either way it's something one has to deal with. hope for the best, expect the worst, that's how i try to live my life.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 5 March 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link

'm going to let myself get my hopes up anyway, because what could feel worse than what happened in 2016?

It feels worse if you're black, gay, Hispanic, and a woman.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 00:50 (six years ago) link

Or Jewish, dude. We honestly had a what-to-do talk the morning after.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 00:53 (six years ago) link

serious question: you figure anything out? i'm not sure i ever did.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 5 March 2018 01:03 (six years ago) link

we stayed put, and a good thing too, or we'd have missed out on gold in hockey and curling.

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:08 (six years ago) link

xpost No. We have family overseas and they did, just in case, leave out an invitation. But mostly we've been watchful, waiting ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link

If I had no family I think I'd be gone, tbh.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link

Family here, that is. My wife's cousin from Nebraska is coming in a few weeks. Unlike me, she lives in Trump world and knows Trump voters. I'm curious to get her perspective, being Jewish, being a rape survivor, being a woman, with a gay brother, in Nebraska.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link

Oklahoma teachers have voted to strike

https://www.facebook.com/Oklahomateachersunited/posts/2012657982321790

Simon H., Monday, 5 March 2018 01:27 (six years ago) link

Good. Where to donate?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link

It's so fresh that I haven't seen anything about a strike fund or anything yet, will post here when I do.

Simon H., Monday, 5 March 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link

xp didn't have the connections or the money to get out of the country altogether. moved from indiana to oregon, though. when all this shit is being done in your name and for your benefit it's hard to know what to do. didn't want to be tempted to make compromises we'd later regret.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 5 March 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link

yeah but man you're gonna get disappointed whether or not you get your hopes up, so why not get your hopes up? right?

I'm saying whatever I do (and getting excited about Beto isn't really something I can honestly choose to do or not do, I live in Austin, I am left-wing me, so it will happen) his losing cannot be worse than how I (and probably a lot of people) experienced 2016, where for months I was terrified Clinton would lose but didn't believe she actually would. Then she did.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 5 March 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link

That’s great news from OK. Wish the whole damn country would strike.

Except for internet providers. Sorry internet workers.

shut up and watch the goddamn Oscars

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 02:04 (six years ago) link

if that scotus case goes the way everyone is saying it will I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we had some wildcat May 68 shit sometime this year

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 March 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link

what if Warren 'n' Faye flub again

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 02:11 (six years ago) link

Get Out

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 02:53 (six years ago) link

I just went to a park in Mexico and at the end they had this big 2 hour show covering an abridged history of the country. For the grand finale they had a bunch of people marching around with the flags of every major country in the world, plus most of our neighbors. Notably absent was the American flag. Felt pretty significant given that half the visitors appeared to be from the USA. I think I’m just gonna tell people I’m from Canada for the rest of the trip.

frogbs, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:04 (six years ago) link

oscars news dump???

JUST IN: Mueller subpoenas documents from Trump, numerous campaign associates https://t.co/YgVVIOpVT2

— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) March 5, 2018

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:11 (six years ago) link

Kicking off the new week well!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:11 (six years ago) link

I would really love it if in lieu of sentencing, Mueller just clocked Lewandowski on national television

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 04:12 (six years ago) link


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