The Great ILX Gun Control Debate

L.L. Bean?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ll-bean-gun-purchases-21_us_5a9912a2e4b0479c02513486

I had no idea LL Bean sold guns. Did they come in flannel?

read the article, man

anyway apparently Delta is calling Georgia's bluff. Good for them.

Huh: re LL Bean.

Just saw that REI no longer stocking stuff made by the hunting/gun company that makes CamelBak and ski goggles and stuff.

As an REI member since 1970, with a number just a tad over 170,000, I approve.

great idears

Tennessee state Rep. Andy Holt, a Republican, introduced a bill to let people carry guns in airports, with a special provision that bars local governments from passing their own gun regulations. It is next scheduled for consideration on Tuesday, March 6.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/despite-parkland-states-plow-ahead-with-new-pro-gun-bills

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/uk/5/5c/Just_Shoot_Me.jpg

love that show

dangerous thing to admit in these anti-gun times

I encountered my first "woke" pro gun argument when I made a comment in support of the school walkout in an instagram post. I quickly got a couple of guys saying "leftists are pro gun" and when I said that didn't include me I got accused of being a pro-cop, pro-state fascist. "Why are you trying to keep guns out of the hands of marginalized communities who need them to protect themselves?" "I guess your white privilege allows you to feel like it's ok to let oppressed people get wiped out" and so on, followed by a very condescending lesson on the Black Panthers and AIM. "Just because you may be personally against guns, please don't stop others from seeking out solutions in the desparate fight against white supremacy."

What I ultimately came to realize after a bit of back and forth is that the mentality was exactly the same as the "we need guns to fight the government" crowd, just from a different political bent. It did give me pause, if only to consider something I honestly had not thought of previously. Despite it all, I remain highly skeptical, to say the least, of the wisdom of private citizens maintaining their own arsenals, regardless of their politics.

Honestly I don't know what to make of it.

I'm for progressives adopting pro-gun political stances in order to irredeemably taint it for conservatives.

xp what do these ppl make of the fact that p much every leftist outside of north america is against them?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/morgan-roof-dylann-roof.html

A sister of Dylann Roof, the man who massacred nine black churchgoers in South Carolina in 2015, was arrested on Wednesday for bringing a knife, pepper spray and marijuana to her high school, the authorities said.

Morgan Roof, 18, was arrested on drugs and weapons charges at her high school, A.C. Flora, in Columbia, S.C., and taken to a detention center, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said in a statement.

Sheriff Lott said that a school resource officer was informed by an administrator that Ms. Roof had the weapons and drugs. “Roof had also made a social media post on Snapchat which caused alarm to the student body,” Sheriff Lott said. No students were harmed, he said.

Ms. Roof’s Snapchat post criticized students who planned to walk out of class to protest gun violence. “I hope it’s a trap and y’all get shot,” it said. “We know it’s fixing to be nothing but black people walkin out anyway.”

Whoa, can this really be true? Grocery stores?!

In the U.S., gun shops outnumber Starbucks, McDonald's, and all grocery stores combined.

From this: https://www.gq.com/story/dragonman-mel-bernstein-sells-people-hunting-guns

xpost to ogmor they were going on about leftists in Turkey as a model. I didn't catch the name of the group. IDK honestly, at the end of it all they just sounded like more militia psychos, albeit intersectional ones. That's progress...?

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that's crazy, but it could be true. a lot of wal-marts are gun shops, for example

yeah I think that's one of the drivers. LOTS of sporting goods stores sell guns

I encountered my first "woke" pro gun argument when I made a comment in support of the school walkout in an instagram post. I quickly got a couple of guys saying "leftists are pro gun" and when I said that didn't include me I got accused of being a pro-cop, pro-state fascist. "Why are you trying to keep guns out of the hands of marginalized communities who need them to protect themselves?" "I guess your white privilege allows you to feel like it's ok to let oppressed people get wiped out" and so on, followed by a very condescending lesson on the Black Panthers and AIM. "Just because you may be personally against guns, please don't stop others from seeking out solutions in the desparate fight against white supremacy."

What I ultimately came to realize after a bit of back and forth is that the mentality was exactly the same as the "we need guns to fight the government" crowd, just from a different political bent. It did give me pause, if only to consider something I honestly had not thought of previously. Despite it all, I remain highly skeptical, to say the least, of the wisdom of private citizens maintaining their own arsenals, regardless of their politics.

Honestly I don't know what to make of it.

― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, March 15, 2018 2:11 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago

you made all that needs to be made of it -- it's a patently ridiculous position. your comparison to fantasy militia types is apt

38,441 supermarkets (2016)
14,146 McDonald's (2016)
13,930 Starbucks (2017)

have this queued up: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/04/05/guns-bang-for-the-buck/

Dragonman's oft-stated argument boils down to this: He doesn't control what people do with the weapons once they leave Dragonland any more than the soda company controls how much soda you drink, or the cigarette company controls the cigarettes you smoke.

"Well, if you get cancer, it's not their fault," he says.

Yes, all that matters is whether it's his fault or not. Never mind the consequences to other people.

https://www.trashtalktv.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1-Bag-o-glass.jpg

what do gun people think about grenades and bazookas? They cool with them?

honestly I bring up this argument a lot and people seem to blow right past it. the amusing part is that these are the same people who keep saying "actually, automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned" (even though I never say an AR-15 is an automatic weapon), because then I get to ask "Why?? Why are they banned? Because they're too deadly? Then why didn't the Vegas shooter get one? Or the guy in Orlando? Or Parkland?"

because, you know, they're criminals, and criminals will always break the law no matter what

the woke gun nut guy referred me to the Pink Pistols, a gun group who "Strive to be anti racist, feminist, intersectional & free of that masculine BS in contemporary US gun culture".

So I had a look and I gotta tell ya I feel like I've heard this one before.

“No matter what kinds of weapons Mr. Paddock had. No matter how many he had. No matter the sizes of the magazines, the caliber of the bullets, the color of the guns, or the style or design, the guns had no choice, for guns are not living creatures. A gun cannot choose to refuse to fire if the action is illegal. They’re just machines. I hate having to defend inanimate objects yet again, but I know that once again they will be low-hanging fruit for those who project their anger and fear onto them.”

I guess it really is a mental health issue! Glad to clear it up!

most pithy response I've heard to that is: Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Which is why we should try to keep guns out of people's hands.

it's not hard to follow, that's for sure

"Why?? Why are they banned? Because they're too deadly?

Comes down to there being a certain level of carnage that these people are ok with allowing citizens to have the ability to unleash, presumably largely as a result of how our society has normalized it. "Nukes don't kill people. People kill people" just sounds absolutely absurd.

Just curious, what is our collective success rate in arguing people away from pro-NRA/pro-gun stances with the elegance of our logic and rhetoric?

so far, 3.5% of arguments resulted in the gun-owner surrendering their weapons and apologizing, but 1.2% ended with the gun-owner getting angry and firing the weapon, so it's a wash

leftists with guns

https://paulcarrmusings.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/mm2.jpg?w=640

... and fighter planes.

they probably got them from noted leftists the red krayola

ABERDEEN, Miss. — A Mississippi girl has died after her brother allegedly shot her in the head because she wouldn't hand over the controller of a video game.

WCBI-TV reported Sunday that Monroe County Sheriff Cecil Cantrell says the girl is dead.

Cantrell told local news outlets that the 9-year-old boy shot his 13-year-old sister in the back of the head. She was rushed to Le Bonheur's Children's Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, but didn't survive.

Authorities say they don't yet know how the boy got the gun. The circumstances are still being investigated.

here's a hint - it was in the goddamn house and not in a safe

Sometimes I think Gun Control is a bad issue for the left just because it tends to seize so much emotion and attention with so little effect. Many more lives could be saved through healthcare reform than through gun control, even if we could pass gun control, which we can't seem to.

That Aberdeen shooting was about 15 minutes away from me. Def not surprising.

well we can't exactly pass healthcare reform either
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i would submit that if the democrats can't pass laws to address problems that cause an ongoing sickness and revulsion in the pit of the stomach of the majority of americans, the difficulty isn't that they're grabbing hold of a "bad issue".

and yes, it's true, the majority of americans all share one stomach. obesity epidemic explained.

huh, did not expect this

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/youtube-bans-firearm-sales-and-how-to-videos-prompting-backlash

Give it one week before they rollout Guntube

lol those idiots do not understand pornhub

YouTube, a popular media site for firearms enthusiasts

ban youtube

Id be pretty pissed going to pornhub expecting to see cock and instead getting glock

Democrats and Republicans in Congress have agreed on legislation that would open the doors to the federal government studying the effects gun violence, softening decades of legal language that encouraged the Centers for Disease Control to leave the issue alone.

A $1.3 trillion kitchen sink spending bill that must pass by Friday to avoid another government shutdown will not change gun control laws, but does contain two key measures to research gun violence and beef up background checks.

The momentum to significantly alter gun control laws in the wake of the Parkland, Florida, school shooting last month have faded in Congress in recent weeks, but the two provisions made it into the final, bipartisan bill released Wednesday night.

The spending bill contains a modest measure to improve reporting to the national background check registry. That was expected in recent days, but on top of it the committee report contains language that will allow the Centers for Disease Control the authority to research gun violence.

Wow. That's kinda huge?

momentum "have" faded?

tell that to jeremy corbyn's critics