POO: Altman films

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It's pretty cool. I've read several Altman biogs so not a lot of new info but definitely a lot of production photos and ephemera I've never seen before.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 20:27 (one year ago) link

Looking at my Letterboxd ratings from the MoMA retro, I really don't like the minor ones I caught up with there, all 2.5/5:

Health (liked it more when I was younger)
Images
That Cold Day in the Park
Countdown (the hire job w/ Caan and Duvall playing astronauts)

I preferred Kansas City (3/5)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 20:28 (one year ago) link

Oh, I recently recalled in the midst of the post-Weinstein era that the recent-ish Altman oral history ended on a somewhat sad note as everyone talks around the story of Kevin Spacey ruining what turned out to be Altman's last directorial gig at the Old Vic. I knew he was a bad egg.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 20:34 (one year ago) link

Oh yes and I've never seen Jazz '34, which I see is available online.

Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 20:36 (one year ago) link

Also on the Kansas City DVD, iirc.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 20:45 (one year ago) link

You are wrong about McCabe, flappy, but it's not uncommon for ppl to not really gel with it on first encounter and fall in love with it later. Was my experience and apparently Tarantino's as well.

― circa1916, Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:02 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah I've only seen it once and will definitely revisit soon

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:04 (one year ago) link

Altman's (better) films almost require multiple viewings. There's often so much going on in the frame and on the soundtrack that it's impossible to take it all in on a single viewing. I think I catch new dialogue every time I see the tavern scenes in McCabe.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:16 (one year ago) link

McCabe demands multiple viewings, yes. My only reaction upon seeing it in high school was "huh?" Now I could be easily convinced that it is his best.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 March 2018 01:19 (one year ago) link

I had a similar reaction to 3 Women at first blush. It grows in my esteem with every rewatch.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 March 2018 03:32 (one year ago) link

I loved 3 Women on my first viewing, but I can probably credit that to my having already seen both Persona and Mulholland Dr.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 March 2018 03:55 (one year ago) link

oooh true

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 March 2018 04:08 (one year ago) link

That says a lot for 3 Women, which I saw when it first came out, and remains the clearest and most compelling--scenes still still roll in memory with no known cue, the swimming pool murals appeared as I was waking up a couple mornings ago---- more recently, "Wellll, you two have a lot in common." "Lak whut?" "Oh, I don't know! Aren't you both from Texas or something?" kept coming up while I was trying to wait patiently for the doctor.

(I'd like to see Buffalo Bill especially). He's never struck me as having anything particularly trenchant to say about any sort of social or historical concern, and seems more interesting as a weaver of tall tales with sometimes-interesting character portraits. He seems most interesting, however, as an at least semifictional observer and to some extent participant in what he really knows - the popular or semi popular performing arts world he inhabits -
Which is why you might like Buffalo Bill, on a night when he's ramblin' around, gassin' about previous events and what he made of them, with the travelling Wild West Shows, Indian actors/re-enactors and all---Lester Bangs connected this to Dylan's theatrical self-presentation in his '74 reunion tour with The Band: a battered Americana legend-merchant in "full scraggle" (the raspy rattle of "It's Alright Ma" on that year's live Before The Flood is a good example).

dow, Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:10 (one year ago) link

That is, Bangs specifically cited this movie as a thematic link to Dylan's self-presentation, whether D. was thinking of or had seen this movie or not.

dow, Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Watched OC & Stiggs again this weekend and yah I still think it's aged well and gets a bad rep. It's really fun seeing the Altman-isms translated for an 80s teen comedy. I don't get the hate for this.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 April 2018 22:23 (one year ago) link

FYI..."Images" is free to watch if you have Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07578H9YR/
Susannah York is very good in it, and the score works well (never would have guessed John Williams and avant-garde Japanese percussionist Stomu Yamashta would team up), but its variations on a theme get a little tiresome (ok, she's schizophrenic, this isn't real, I get it). Cathryn Harrison, who was the lead in Malle's "Black Moon," is also in it. Altman fans should check it out, but don't expect a masterpiece.

ernestp, Sunday, 29 April 2018 19:34 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

1. California Split
2. Nashville
3. The Long Goodbye
4. Brewster McCloud
5. 3 Women
6. The Player
7. Short Cuts
8. A Wedding
9. McCabe & Mrs. Miller
10. Secret Honor

not my thing: Thieves Like Us
Dud: Images, Buffalo Bill, MASH

haven't seen the rest
but I have Kansas City and Streamers waiting

flappy bird, Sunday, 10 February 2019 08:12 (ten months ago) link

McCabe below Short Cuts and A Wedding is completely looney tunes but at least you're in the ballpark. I wouldn't put California Split first but I def rate it higher than most.

Musts to see if you haven't yet: Gosford Park, The Company, Tanner '88 (probably in my top five Altman projects)

Shaved Cyborg (Old Lunch), Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:48 (ten months ago) link

Thieves Like Us might be as high as #3 for me

never liked Brewster

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:52 (ten months ago) link

Also Vincent & Theo and Prairie Home Companion were quite good iirc but it's been a while since I saw either.

Shaved Cyborg (Old Lunch), Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:54 (ten months ago) link

01. Nashville
02. 3 Women
03. Short Cuts
04. McCabe & Mrs. Miller
05. The Company
06. The Long Goodbye

Those six are his undying masterpieces. The rest is a great jumble of movies I like a great deal more than most (Popeye) and a great deal less than most (California Split).

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:48 (ten months ago) link

1. The Long Goodbye
2. McCabe and Mrs. Miller
3. Thieves Like Us
4. The Player
5. 3 Women
6. Nashville
7. Vincent and Theo
8. Gosford Park
9. Secret Honor
10. The Company

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:50 (ten months ago) link

1. California Split
2. The Long Goodbye
3. McCabe & Mrs Miller
4. Nashville
5. Brewster McCloud
6. Short Cuts
7. The Player
8. Gosford Park

I havent seen 3 Women, Thieves Like Us (well ive seen bits of it), A Wedding, The Company, Tanner '88

. (Michael B), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 11:45 (nine months ago) link

Cannot believe the disrespect being shown to O.C. & Stiggs itt rn.

Shaved Cyborg (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 12:48 (nine months ago) link


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