The Great ILX Gun Control Debate

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social and legal solutions arent really an either/or proposition and to some extent you need the former in order to achieve the latter

ppl are gonna be more okay with a handful of folks getting classified as criminals overnight if the social support is there for framing them as such

if only we had some recent precedent for that

The 'social solutions' that I've seen talked about (or the thing about getting a bunch of POC to join the NRA to rustle their jimmies) aren't being proposed in concert with a ban on semi-auto firearms or anything similar - the legal solution has to be the lead, the social reaction will follow. It's already basically unacceptable enough to be a gun nut in half the country and that will continue increasing with more urbanization and younger people further distanced from growing up around guns or shooting tin cans in the country.

kinda interesting how even gun opponents have bought into the mythology of guns as these unique objects and have all these ridiculous fetishistic proposals based on that, like limiting the number of bullets a magazine can hold

man just bring guns into the realm of the mundane like everything else, make ppl register and insure them, make licensing an actual hurdle, make ppl liable when they use them, make gun manufactures liable, make gun shops liable, and ffs dont let ppl carry them around for no reason

generally the fixation with assault weapons is idiotic, most gun violence happens with normal old hand guns, we need comprehensive approaches that relate to the actual reality of our situation

liability is key

maybe part of the maniacal stance of the nra is that they're terrified of being becoming big tobacco

xxp agree w/ all of that (and your next post as well)

also, tax ammo to fund buyback programs, offer full amnesty to any illegally-modified weapons that are turned in

and let the goddamn CDC study gun violence, wt actual f at that one

i hear all that but at the same time politicians have been telling us we need to wait for "culture to change" before they do anything as an excuse for inaction on everything from birth control to the death penalty to same-sex marriage. the cigarette ban's one example where it really worked the other way; the other example that springs to mind is new york's "curb your dog" fines introduced in the early 90s (or was it late 80s?) where suddenly "$100 fine" signs sprung up on every street corner and practically overnight people who didn't clean up after their dogs were booed off the sidewalks. compare to a place like paris, or london, without penalties like that. half the goddamn population "forgot their plastic bag". culture can change and it can change quickly. i don't buy "the us has a distinct weird history with guns blah blah blah". everywhere has a distinct history of something or other but if the political will is there to break its back that back gonna done get broke. whole languages have been wiped out in a decade. guns aren't impossible to deal with. they totally should be like big tobacco. put a 500% gun tax on all of them.

generally the gun lobby is laughing its ass off that were arguing over fringe shit like bumpstocks thatll be outlawed then re legalized over and over in an absurd meaningless tug o war

wasn't the cdc ban literally "we can't let the cdc study gun violence because if they do they'll find out they're really bad and dangerous"

i like this idea a lot:

My non-gun savy friends. You want "A ban on all center-fire, semi-automatic rifles with a magazine capacity of over 6. No pistol with a magazine over 10. Exchange program for high cap mags for a year." This will bypass the "but what is an assault weapon, really?" argument.

— Christopher Moore (@TheAuthorGuy) February 26, 2018

dont tell me what i want bitgh

no gun with a magazine over 1

speaking as one of the elite people who has thrown a grenade my word is law

im basically a troop

extreme and far reaching but still a compromise: gunmakers get a bonanza on making cut-down mags

we have an enormous amount of guns in circ already (and held by relatively few people) so idk if taxing gun sales a bunch will do much, but, sure, let's do it.

100% tax on ammo probably more effective. can already see an equality challenge by the right: pricing the poor out of a constitutional right. i mean, we're already in the realm of deep fantasy with these ideas to begin with

xp

you say you're a grenade expert, i say grin-aid expert, you cheer me up fella

not even banning guns altogether is a deep fantasy

it'll take time but maybe not as much time as one thinks.

if your a massive student of history like me youll find its often darkest before the dawn

only allow types of guns that were actually in production when the constitution was written

otm

all guns shd be at the least single shot wld make hunting more sporting too

and the single "shot" is a flag with BOOM! written on it

honestly that can be pretty startling

first you have to feed the deer on your property unhealthy snack for years then you can startle them into having a heart attack

what do gun people think about grenades and bazookas? They cool with them?

*extremely gun voice* umm bazookas are antiquated surely you mean rpgs, plz at least learn what youre talking about before you go proposing laws

Every time in the last week I've heard a conversation about gun control, I've tried to replace the word 'gun' with 'viper.' It makes a fair amount of sense in a reducto absurdum kind of way, sort of preserves the sides in the argument, and it's way less emotionally draining. Just sayin.' Vipers don't kill people, people kill people. People on farms often need vipers to control vermin on their property. It's okay if YOU want to keep a viper in your bedroom drawer to scare of robbers, but what if your children find it? There's very little logic for rapid-reloading vipers. The mentally ill should not be given vipers.

i'm sick of all these politicians in the pocket of Big Viper!

Vipers don't kill people, people with vipers kill people. Also, yeah, vipers kill people.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a viper is a good guy with a viper.

Happiness is a Warm Viper

They will have to pry this viper from my cold dead hands. Possibly because I was killed by a viper, but that is neither here nor there.

That proposal strikes me as something that's not going to be any easier or more likely than actual firearm restrictions, which seems kind of pointless.

kind of places an undue burden on the populace if we all have to buy and maintain guns and carry them around all the time if that's the safest solution, as some idiots keep claiming

This seems like big news

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/dicks-major-gun-retailer-will-stop-selling-assault-style-rifles.html

EXCUSE me NY Times please correct your headline to something more technically accurate

Congratulations to Dicks on consigning all other gun dealers to the lowercase version of their name.

assault-style lol

"We will no longer sell assault-style rifles, also referred to as modern sporting rifles."

Every time in the last week I've heard a conversation about gun control, I've tried to replace the word 'gun' with 'viper.' It makes a fair amount of sense in a reducto absurdum kind of way, sort of preserves the sides in the argument, and it's way less emotionally draining. Just sayin.' Vipers don't kill people, people kill people. People on farms often need vipers to control vermin on their property. It's okay if YOU want to keep a viper in your bedroom drawer to scare of robbers, but what if your children find it? There's very little logic for rapid-reloading vipers. The mentally ill should not be given vipers.

― rb (soda)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKFH_zh4gY0

It makes me think of Dan Aykroyd as toy magnate Irwin Mainway, hawking Bag O'Nails, Bag O'Glass, Bag O'Vipers.... "We're just packaging what the kids want!"

Walmart raising gun purchase age to 21 and taking guns that look like assault style weapons off their website, whatever that means.

conspiracy theory: dicks and walmart are raising the required age for a gun purchase in order to prompt an age discrimination lawsuit that they'll lose and will further entrench “gun rights”

There’s no statutory recognition of age discrimination against the young, from what I understand.

and you can't rent a car until you're 25 but I'm just saying what if man what if

a baby shd buy a gun