Janelle Monáe - Dirty Computer album/film

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i guess my opinion could change with further listens but so far i like it better than "q.u.e.e.n."

dyl, Friday, 23 February 2018 02:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

musically i still love her Archandroid I/II stuff the most, but she's definitely gotten better and better as a visual and dance artist

Nhex, Friday, 23 February 2018 06:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

the way Make Me Feel builds and builds and then explodes in the bridge is so good and the video is incredible too

ufo, Friday, 23 February 2018 07:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

Well, the pussy *is* pretty powerful, afaict.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 23 February 2018 08:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

Not feeling "Make Me Feel". Sounds too much like "Kiss".

daavid, Friday, 23 February 2018 20:15 (seven months ago) Permalink

Why can't women celebrate being women and be trans allies at the same time?

― how's life, Friday, February 23, 2018 1:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

framing womanhood and the vagina as inherently linked is kinda.... the opposite of being a trans ally....

since i haven't seen it come up here yet, anyone got any feelings on the april 28 release date?

heliogabberlus, Friday, 23 February 2018 22:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

jesus did Drake ghostwrite "Django Jane"? soooo Drake

Make Me Feel is p good but I think they went one too far bringing in the guitar lick on verse two, just brings the "Kiss" comparison a little too in focus

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 February 2018 23:14 (seven months ago) Permalink

xp

Is it inherently anti-trans for a woman to mention vaginas in the context of a song about feminism?

Moodles, Friday, 23 February 2018 23:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

cis male here, so while acknowledging this music isnt really for me, i fell that the "funky" one is really unfunky.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 23 February 2018 23:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Not feeling "Make Me Feel". Sounds too much like "Kiss"."

not feeling your comment, don't understand something sounding "too much" like "Kiss"

akm, Saturday, 24 February 2018 00:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

as an afab woman i feel like 'acknowledging a body part that has been a major part of my life since my first period and especially since the first time i bled through my peach cotton capris' is by no means ignoring the trans experience. (also... why don't dick references get called anti-trans male?)

also i'm glad the men have weighed in. 'so drake' huh? lol

maura, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

like i think there has to be a way to acknowledge the trans female experience while also acknowledging that having a vagina needs to be transmuted from a situation that is often a pain in the ass (feel free to figure out a tampon/pad/liner/cup budget every month, or even to find one when you're desperately in need of one and have run out, those of you who never have had to) into a situation that is powerful

maura, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

i feel like i'm treading on touchy ground here and i'm sorry but i also feel like it's weird that trans men rarely speak up for their rights as vociferously and i wonder if it's at least partially because of socialization

maura, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

Glad you jumped in, maura. I wasn't feeling great about piling into this argument, but also felt Janelle was being unfairly called out.

Moodles, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

it's really frustrating because obviously transphobia is a big problem! but the erasure of afab women's experience – which has its own HOST of societal stigmas, like i have lived in so much fear of bleeding through my various menstrual supplies that my life is markedly different now that i have an apparatus to stop my period, because i have often been confronted with zero supplies – isn't the answer

maura, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

anyway these songs are both great

maura, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

(and i know gloria steinem's 'if men could menstruate' is problematic in the lexicon of the times but seriously, if amab men could menstruate, things would be REALLY FUCKIN DIFFERENT in public bathrooms)

(ok maybe not in gas station ones but most others)

maura, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

but then again, cis white male talking, so....

Moodles is so close to having a breakthrough right here

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

Haha, don't hold your breath, I'm rapidly turning into old man yells at cloud.

Moodles, Saturday, 24 February 2018 03:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

framing womanhood and the vagina as inherently linked is kinda.... the opposite of being a trans ally....

― heliogabberlus, vendredi 23 février 2018 17:35 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

God forbid the idea that someone with a different sexual/racial/gender experience can't identify with something different.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 24 February 2018 03:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

My brain keeps mixing up "Make Me Feel" with "Kiss", except not the Prince version. The Art of Noise featuring Tom Jones version.

MarkoP, Saturday, 24 February 2018 15:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

xpost hey maura the drake thing was me and to me her flow sounds exactly like drake, which may be more a testament to how influential he has become and how far his flow has really been incorporated into rap at this point.

I personally can't hear that flow and not think Drake but maybe others hear it different.

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 February 2018 15:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

i blame Drake for everything

Nhex, Saturday, 24 February 2018 16:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

framing womanhood and the vagina as inherently linked is kinda.... the opposite of being a trans ally....

― heliogabberlus, vendredi 23 février 2018 17:35 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

God forbid the idea that someone with a different sexual/racial/gender experience can't identify with something different.

― Van Horn Street, Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:29 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maura's otm but trans women shouldn't have the burden put on them to identify w afab women

lowercase (eric), Saturday, 24 February 2018 17:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

Prince connection is legit, guys:

So it turns out that Prince did the music on the new Janelle Monae track, "Make Me Feel", according to his DJ, Lenka Paris :) pic.twitter.com/FqosHWK5MZ

— Casey Rain | S-Endz | The Neosoulja (@CaseyRain) February 24, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 February 2018 07:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

:O

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 February 2018 13:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

I heard this for the first time at the weekend and had to go hunting for what it was later, thought it might be her but wasn't sure. Think it's terrific, who cares if it sounds like 'Kiss'? The vocal line in the bridge is what really makes it, and that's new.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

I’m sorry but I think it’s terrible...kinda has the same effect on me as Uptown Funk...leaves me cold...can’t hear the Kiss comparisons either...

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

c'mon

Number None, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

I'm not a fan either, but it's clearly heavily indebted to Kiss

Number None, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:20 (seven months ago) Permalink

It might be but I haven’t been able to get to the end...

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

so is this going to be a lock for pazz & jop #1 once it becomes her first mainstream hit? lol

dyl, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:51 (seven months ago) Permalink

Well Carly Rae Jepsen does have a new album planned for this year...

MarkoP, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

That's ILM's #1

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

Maybe we'll see a tie.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:59 (seven months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

like Django Jane

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 March 2018 03:43 (six months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYvlVR_BEc

collab with grimes(?), really great i think

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:19 (six months ago) Permalink

I don't love it. So far "Make Me Feel" is the only single from this record that's really worked for me. It's the guitars that ruin it.

But it could have been worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfbBqBOSXlU

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:27 (six months ago) Permalink

thanks for that

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:31 (six months ago) Permalink

it's like red but not quite

like æ duce says, smell my anvil vapre (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:38 (six months ago) Permalink

I like this one a lot.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 17:21 (six months ago) Permalink

Well as much as I like this new song, it certainly doesn't extenuate the critique heliogabberlus offered up-thread.

fragglerock, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:51 (six months ago) Permalink

I like the song, but the video is a masterpiece of queer art.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 22:00 (six months ago) Permalink

This is fantastic, and the vid is A+++ too <3

lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 22:17 (six months ago) Permalink

This is my least favorite of the new ones, a little too cutesy for me.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 22:20 (six months ago) Permalink

videos are all better than the songs, which makes sense i guess

Nhex, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 23:35 (six months ago) Permalink

this is so great

ufo, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 00:21 (six months ago) Permalink

just read a funny Grace Jones dis of JM that i'll link later if i'm really bored

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:27 (six months ago) Permalink

Video is A+ but something about the car/boulevard line that makes me think of Rebecca Black's "Friday".

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:34 (six months ago) Permalink

lol Aerosmith got writing credits for this

ufo, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:38 (six months ago) Permalink

(I suppose "Americans" might work better if you're american but to me it sounds like an 80s big american movie's closing song !)

People in America are very traumatized by Trump right now so this kind of corny bullshit works really well on them. Plus, never forget the Santayana quote "Americans love junk. It's not the junk that bothers me, it's the love."

― grawlix (unperson)

so ever since tom pepinsky briefly went viral way back in early 2017, i've been following his blog. and his latest post - hey this board could have something to say about it! it's called "glam, metal, and regime change". (link: https://tompepinsky.com/2018/04/27/glam-metal-and-regime-change/ ) i clicked through to the slides. i clicked through to his example of a video from the "arab spring":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgw_zfLLvh8

okay, now this is what the music of regime change sounds like. resistance depends on manufacturing a viable alternative, on manufacturing _hope_. i understand that's a discredited neoliberal concept right now, but it will need to be rehabilitated.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 5 May 2018 00:24 (five months ago) Permalink

To clarify my not-really-liking-it statement upthread. It's the combination of:
- Janelle having an OK voice, not great, but in the past having interesting melodies that carry her average voice. Not to be all Geir Hongro, but this has some pretty average tunes.
- It used to feel, lyrically, like she was a little less of open book. Now the sexual references, social media references, political references are more obvious, even simple. I won't argue the sexual politics of this though - I have a lot of respect for what people have said upthread about what it means to them.
- The beats kind of suck. Actually, for me this a big thing. There was so much exciting music on vol. 1, and a good amount on vol. 2. No track on here has me all "shit!" and searching for production credits the way the first 2 albums did. For me, this album has become the Janelle Monae show "as personality," and not the Janelle Monae show "as musical prodigy."

paulhw, Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:12 (five months ago) Permalink

mmmm. i didn't take it as "average" at all. i do think it's simpler and more straightforward than her past work, and that's really what i like about it. it's the sort of thing that's difficult to do well, and she does it well.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:32 (five months ago) Permalink

Forgive the comparison in advance, because it just popped into my head, but this seems like her 90125. After a career of concepts and overkill, I really appreciate the straightforwardness of Dirty Computer.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:35 (five months ago) Permalink

To further clarify - and this may seem rockist, if that's still a thing - but it now sounds like she's singing over beats, whereas on the earlier stuff it felt like the music was coming out of her, if that makes sense.

paulhw, Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:37 (five months ago) Permalink

it felt like the music was coming out of her, if that makes sense.

I've felt that way before (re: a number of artists), but not with this album. idk

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:39 (five months ago) Permalink

what

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:44 (five months ago) Permalink

To further clarify - and this may seem rockist, if that's still a thing - but it now sounds like she's singing over beats, whereas on the earlier stuff it felt like the music was coming out of her, if that makes sense.

― paulhw

like in this sense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig-ZoUQKst4

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:46 (five months ago) Permalink

No.

paulhw, Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:49 (five months ago) Permalink

gross

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 6 May 2018 02:13 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh me oh me oh me oh my

Peak redundacy (Ross), Sunday, 6 May 2018 09:59 (five months ago) Permalink

Read (most) of the Wilson review and I left it thinking this album (which I haven't gotten to yet) must sound like St. Vincent making Prince's symbol album. I did see her play a club show with Prince once, and I felt that he (or probably more specifically/fairly, the situation) was bringing something different out of her, compared to when I'd seen her before. Curious!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 May 2018 12:27 (five months ago) Permalink

wait hold up "the beats kinda suck"? out of all the criticisms, this is what i'd least expect, the production is so lush and limber. (not to mention that one of the first things that struck me is how flexibly her voice moves w/in the songs' landscapes; even phrasing aside "singing over beats" is such a wrong take)

lowercase (eric), Sunday, 6 May 2018 12:42 (five months ago) Permalink

eric otm

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 6 May 2018 13:09 (five months ago) Permalink

That stretch from Crazy, Classic Life to Django Jane just flows so nicely. Even after listening to the album like 10 times, I'm still surprised when each song in that sequence is actually better than the last one.

Also, it never occurred to me that she has only an average voice until I read it on this thread (but as a fan of Astrud Gilberto and Neutral Milk Hotel, you'd have a hard time convincing me that's a real limitation). I listened again after reading that, and her voice still sounds better than 95% of the other stuff I listen to.

enochroot, Monday, 7 May 2018 13:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Do you also think Dionne Warwick only had an okay voice?

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Monday, 7 May 2018 13:36 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah that's crazy, Always felt like there was an obvious gulf between the range of things she can do with her voice and what she's trying to do in her music.

On a lot of songs her singing is often clipped and tense (best word I can think of to describe it) because of the density and occasional clunkiness of her lyrics, and her pastiching ways but I didn't imagine that the underlying quality of her voice would be obscured by that.

Like if she made a career of singing like this it wouldn't cross anybodies mind to question her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoJz8yWNbNg

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:11 (five months ago) Permalink

Janelle has an amazing voice

Dyslexicon (Ross), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 06:15 (five months ago) Permalink

I wish I could love Janelle like you guys love Janelle. It all sounds flat to me.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 08:00 (five months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I think her voice is great, which is why the autotune on this disc sorta irks me

so far I like this a lot. I'm glad it's not ultra long like the last two. ArchAndroid probably had better tunes but I think this is her most solid offering so far.

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:24 (four months ago) Permalink

Excellent article (cover story) of recent rolling stone

don piano (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Confirmed how pivotal religious music and culture was to her growing up which is all over this record but in monae’s unique spin

don piano (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:14 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

my favourite record this year

Y'all (Ross), Saturday, 30 June 2018 05:11 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Saw her live for the first time this past Friday. Great show- strong vocals, dancing, backing visuals, good band and dancers. A fair amount of social and political commentary. While I have nitpicked her songwriting and vocal delivery in the past, those items didn’t bother me too much Friday. Had me reconsidering a bit.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:45 (two months ago) Permalink

she is excellent live

Ross, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:13 (two months ago) Permalink

She makes a couple appearances on the just-released Sorry to Bother You OST.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Saw her on Colbert last week too

curmudgeon, Saturday, 28 July 2018 04:16 (two months ago) Permalink

thanks for the tip Simon

baby bird (Ross), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:54 (two months ago) Permalink

man the Pharrell track really sounds like she's trying to do Fergie doesn't it

idk it might be my favorite song on here

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 20:36 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Yes! Saw those. I think they first aired the night I was seeing her live

curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 August 2018 01:07 (one month ago) Permalink


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