David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

kemper

i know someone who talks just like this actor's performance, i'll have to not think about it the next time i see him

just finished this, liked it a lot overall. there is so much sensationalized serial killer drama inundating the media that it was somewhat refreshing to see the characters in the show unfamiliar with and horrified by the entire concept. i think the show made a good point about just how numb our society has grown to violence. holden's unflappable demeanor and his willingness to delve into the killer's mind is something that we expect from a cop show, but it was a nice touch to see holden's colleagues' disgust at how easily it came to him. i've seen a lot of complaining about the finale around the interwebs, but really it just felt to me like another episode of the show? anyway, i'm looking forward to season 2, where hopefully they'll do a little bit more mindhunting, instead of merely mindvestigating.

Debbie's jumpsuit in the first episode is better than almost the entire middle of this series.

halfway in I will say Holt McCallany as Fred Ward is A+
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.)

Through four episodes--liking it fine, not Zodiac-level yet. I'm glad I can stop obsessing over who Holt McCallany reminds me of, though. Evidently I had completely forgotten what "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" sounds like; "That's great," I thought, before having to look up what it was.

(I think he's like a cross between Ward and J.T. Walsh.)

Love how Fleetwood Mac's "Albatross" was used. Fleetwood Mac has now had great scenes in the last three series I've watched (also The Americans and Big Little Lies).

The tickling principal episode--which was fascinating in and of itself; they walked the line perfectly there--tackled something hard to capture and did it exceedingly well: what it's like to have your life momentarily fall apart, not from anything momentous, but confusingly, from casual betrayal and an unexpectedly collapsing support system. Tench and Carr line up against Holden; he's usually the bridge between those two, so that stings. That, and all is not well with Debbie. He's trying to do the right thing, and he seems completely alone and lost at the end. (Woody Allen pulled off something similar in Hannah and Her Sisters, the moment where Mia Farrow lies in bed and tries to figure out how everything fell apart.)

yeah I agree. It's not so much the events themselves as what Holden is grappling with that made me find that episode really interesting.

on the podcast for that ep (the one veg recommended) the fbi profiler and scotland yard profiler were both adamant that it was grooming behavior and holden was 100% right.

jim & laura 4 ever

The next episode also ends with everybody shutting doors on Holden (the Richard Speck episode--have to admit, I got a momentary thrill when it was clear they were on their way to interview Speck). First Fincher-directed episode since the first couple.

This is a very unusual series; quite immersed in it right now.

Finale: And now it came at last: George Amberson Minafer had got his comeuppance. He'd got it three times filled and running over.

They've basically Don Drapered Holden at this point; he's alienated everyone (I hated him for the first time during his interview with the majorette killer), and he'll have to spend at least the first episode of Season 2 grovelling his way back into everyone's good graces.

Season 2 details: eight episodes, two directed by Fincher, two by Andrew Dominik, four by Carl Franklin.

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Carl Franklin did a couple of the best House of Cards (I remember making note of that); also did a few Leftovers, although I don't remember which ones.

So apparently the show is going to be doing some shooting in the greater Pittsburgh area and they put out casting calls for paid extras to play "hippies, protestors, students and FBI agents." They're doing one casting call at a popular concert venue about 15 minutes from me. I would love to do something like this!

http://mindhuntercasting.com/MINDHUNTER-CASTING/mindhunter.html

S2 filming just wrapped

i'm probably going to give this a screening again before S2 hits (maybe in spring, early summer??) I'm still amazed at how much they managed to put into the first episode, going all the way from the incident at the beginning to Holden and Bill's argument in the car, and so much in between.

I always forget this scene, because it leads directly without break into the first scene with Debbie, but I like the conversation between Holden and the lecturer in the bar. It's *extremely* on the nose, but in a way I enjoy because I suspect it's how those dudes would actually talk about the subject, and it's a good setup for Holden's increasing interest in this kind of violent crime study.

too much of this is on-the-nose tbh im not sure ill bother with s2 altho theres a lot to like

says man who reads robert jordan and stephen king

what does “chat me up” in thread title refer to?

The lead character's job is to get serial killers talking so they can work up profiles.

says man who reads robert jordan and stephen king

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 01:22 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

says man who does whatever it is that would insert here to make this pathetic point

cmon ta fuck

settle down there

is this going to be a whole pistols at dawn thing or

my god i think jm just provoked me like a ....mindhunter

ok if my dismissal above was a little too punchy, how's about:

s1 nailed a few really strange and compelling aspects- style, casting, *mood*, the quite excellent ambition in how they foreshadowed our main villain (even if this only ever remains an "all the while, this was happening" contrast, which we can probably discount.

but it devolves disappointingly into our freak of the week, genius maverick move from our guy stuff. and the personal life stuff is formulaic, heavy-handed, etc

its the serial killer mad men, with trite identification of grisly murderers standing in for trite advertising pitch to chainsmoking brillcreemers

I realise my comment looks much more unpleasant than it was intended to be, and i apologise unreservedly. I just meant that I thought you had a higher tolerance for than your feelings about mindhunter suggested.

For PREPOSTEROUSNESS i meant

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sorry i should be clearer tbf

i did read it as a kinda scathing comment out of nowhere and reacted badly, but as it was meant its a fair query

can only say i guess that the gaps i feel are in mindhunter pull it below what id wish for based on what it achieves on other levels, whereas the likes of king, if i were to read these days, keep their faults to a level of consistency/vibe within the work that does the job i need it to

obv highly subjective.

nb will probably watch this as a result of going over the cooler parts in my head in order to defend position

what does “chat me up” in thread title refer to?

i guess the evolving BTK sideplot is supposed to be a carrot for us? but i dont really care about that, the show will just as likely suffer as improve if and when the action moves to that case, and no more freak of the week.

i'm not super excited about S2, but what the show does well (pretty much: freak of the week) is too good to miss so i'll def watch

i just wanna watch dude talk to sociology grad students

thanks kinder. Was debating whether to step in myself :)

Despite my feelings that serial killer stories basically appeal to the same impulses as superhero stories -- the daft codenames, the secret identities, the silly MOs, the OTT violence, the titillation, the characters living outside rules of society (which is why I think Heath Ledger's Joker was such a hit, combining the comics and serial killer worlds so successfully) -- I have enjoyed Mindhunter tremedously, even with its flaws.

I've never been a particularly huge fan of the titillation factor in serial killer fiction (or fact!), what does work is the element of solving the mystery or the great spooky unknown out there and trying to stop them, and also the ultimate reasons behind their killer instincts. well i guess it's arguable as to whether or not that involves a bit of the titillation factor, probably it does. but i appreciate how the show doesn't linger long on graphic violence, and how in fact beyond the opening scene of the show the only onscreen violent act is a very quick, non-graphic one involving a bird.

The one thing confirmed about “Mindhunter” Season 2 is that it will feature the Atlanta Child Murders. As executive producer David Fincher told Billboard in 2017, “Next year we’re looking at the Atlanta child murders, so we’ll have a lot more African-American music which will be nice.”

i uh

what

Xpost yes, i thght the lack of violence was refreshing. serial killers interest for me was not ab the violence but the understanding of all types of ppl. understanding society.

I've been waiting for this. (Very awkward quote about the music there--the music in the first season was quite good at times.) I think I started James Baldwin's book on those murders but may not have finished it.

That quote is so gross. Fuck serial killer entertainment.

"Nice"

Clem, what book is it? By Baldwin

I was watching Marcella but just bailed on season two because it's all about child murder and pedophilia and I am like ffs, this is not entertainment.

It's weird how they keep making seasons of shows I don't watch.

i refuse to believe it

(xpost) The Evidence of Things Not Seen:

http://www.amazon.ca/Evidence-Things-Not-Seen-Reissued/dp/0805039392

(Coincidence: reading another book right now, a true-crime thing, that uses that for a chapter title.)

I agree that that Fincher quote is insensitive to say the least, but as far as the show goes, it can't be news that great art comes from the worst sort of human behaviour imaginable.

Season 1 might not have been great art, but it was good art for sure.

Thanks! Will order the book.

Found out that Damon Herriman (Dewey Crowe from Justified) is playing Charles Manson this season & I am v happy with that casting, i reckon he’ll be great