as in, "Do smart Americans like Kubrick and Raphael really have so shallow a conception of infidelity and perversion?"
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 19, 2018 2:53 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Really?
― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
Imagine this would be a good double feature with Risky Business.
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 19 February 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
(The Ligeti piece, in case it wasn’t obvious what I was referring to)
― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
A case for EWS (out 15 years ago yesterday) as SK's most personal film:
The final deep resonance regarding Eyes Wide Shut has to do with it being Stanley Kubrick’s last film. It was never intended to be a swan song. Fans of Kubrick would rather have had him sign off with AI or his long abandoned Napoleon, or maybe even his holocaust film Aryan Papers. But thinking deeply about Eyes Wide Shut, and feeling even more deeply about it, I believe that it may be as appropriate a final work for a filmmaker as A Prairie Home Companion was for Robert Altman and The Dead was for John Huston. I believe that this was Stanley Kubrick’s most personal film. The art on the Harfords’ apartment is mostly by Christiane Harlan Kubrick, and Alice is an artist; Nicole Kidman even kind of looks like Mrs. Kubrick. Kubrick’s father was a medical doctor, like Bill Harford. And as I implied earlier, there is a kind of concern for Helena, the Harfords’ daughter, who will grow up in a world where beautiful Barbie-doll women are sexualized, “get their brains fucked out,” and are then promptly discarded. Kubrick had three daughters, and there is an underlying concern of a father, quick to a civilization abounding with male privilege, for his daughter in the tapestry of this film.
http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2014/07/16/the-niles-files-its-old-fashioned/
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:54 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I didn't catch the latter concern, perhaps as a non-parent, but I nevertheless already regarded as his most personal and perhaps of a piece with at least one of the other two personal favorites.
― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
(raphael was born in chicago but emigrated to the UK when he was seven: i think he probably mostly imbibed his shallowness of concept over here, if anywhere)
― mark s, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
I thought Cruise and Kidman's acting was atrocious in places, especially Kilman acting stoned, all staggering around like a drunk antelope and talking really reaaaaallllly slowww. Cruise out-Batemanning Patrick Bateman actually worked in his favour in that it made everything feel even more uncanny
― Badgers (dog latin), Monday, 19 February 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
As long as you watch Risky Business, the better, smarter and definitely more enjoyable film, second.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
Brilliant movie
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
How does it rank against The Emoji Film
― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
it's better
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
fp'd JiC
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 February 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
Oh I just did that with like four people just now, including Alfred
― "Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
no orgies for them
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Classic:
http://78.media.tumblr.com/c9740dd8e43ff1de28672f28b3346603/tumblr_inline_n14xx4gWEB1qfo9ju.jpg
Dud:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cOFObkWKrK8/Vn8EQnlQCRI/AAAAAAAAOks/kO9-VCodd0Y/s1600/eyes-wide-shut-sidney-pollack.jpg
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
it's hard to get an orgy of beautiful people going
if you can manage 50% beautiful people in the orgy it's pretty much a miracle
but probably 2/3 will be sub 5s
basically the more people participate the less likely you'll get hot people in it
only reason i bring this up is because you try keeping your dick hard with people you don't find attractive
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
unless the actors are being paid to participate
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
They've dicked around with the aspect on recent Blus supposedly. Bad cropping and suchlike compared to some older versions on DVD.
http://cdn.avsforum.com/f/f1/f1f4ac2a_vbattach236931.jpeg
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/928408-eyes-wide-shut-review-up-hdd-3-stars-pq-3.html
― piscesx, Monday, 19 February 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
holy shit
glad i got to see it for the first time in a theater last year
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
i have now seen the uncensored orgy scenes
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 24 June 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
i still find Kidman's laughing fit in the pot scene a riot
had forgotten almost the entire Marie Richardson lascivious grieving episode
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 24 June 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
that whole scene is incredible. those curtains...
are the uncensored scenes on the blu ray or did you see a screening? how much more explicit is it really? like someone said upthread (i think), part of what's funny/interesting/scary about the orgy is how stiff and non-erotic it is.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 24 June 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
I'm talking about the fact that the US release obscured the pelvic areas of the orgiasts with CG onlookers -- "the Austin Powers version," as Roger Ebert called it. Just a reminder that American culture was infantilized even before the Orange Grifter showed up.
Even unobscured, the sex is mechanical and non-erotic, as Kubrick intended.
there are at least 3 brilliant "character" roles filled here:
- the aforementioned Marie Richardson
- Rade Serbedzija as the costume shop owner who ultimately pimps out his daughter
- Alan Cumming as the hotel desk clerk, one of the funniest 3-minute performances in cinema annals (Franklin Pangborn would be proud)
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 June 2018 01:31 (five years ago) link
Sydney Pollack for me. No one did smarmy gravitas so well. It's a shame he never made a Phil Jackson biopic.
― dinnerboat, Monday, 25 June 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
are the CGI onlookers still present in versions sold in the US now?
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Monday, 25 June 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
you can gifs of the differences here: https://decider.com/2015/01/30/eyes-wide-shut-uncensored-hbo-go/
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Monday, 25 June 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
you don't get to see TC on his knees with a cock in his mouth or anything.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Monday, 25 June 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
well hope springs eternal
― flappy bird, Monday, 25 June 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link
I've come around to really admiring this film. No to the Alan Cumming reception scene, though. I think he comes across as some sort of grotesque gay stereotype - maybe that's the point I guess what with "Are we in the good doctor's head? " and all. Must rewatch.
― An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 25 June 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
yeah i loathe Cumming and that scene
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Monday, 25 June 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link
https://cinephiliabeyond.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/6-6.jpg
top stuff here
https://cinephiliabeyond.org/eyes-wide-shut-tense-nightmarish-exploration-marriage-sexuality-kubricks-ultimate-film/
― piscesx, Monday, 25 June 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
the Alan Cummings scene is amazing
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link
ly bad
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 01:16 (five years ago) link
http://image.ibb.co/eL39vT/vlcsnap_2012_11_04_23h10m23s181.png
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 01:39 (five years ago) link
I probably should have had some reasonable sexual encounters in my life before seeing this film
― mh, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 01:41 (five years ago) link
They were up until the 2007 release, which is what i just watched.
hey guess what, for a lot of hotel desk clerks that gay stereotype is true.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 03:40 (five years ago) link
btw there is a bar/showplace in NYC now called Club Cumming which he has a stake in
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
that still above makes it clear why SK originally considered Steve Martin to play Dr Bill
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 03:43 (five years ago) link
It would never have occurred to me that this was the case:
“In some of the scenes, the backgrounds were rear-projection plates,” the cinematographer reveals. “Generally, when Tom’s facing the camera, the backgrounds are rear-projected; anything that shows him from a side view was done on the streets of London. We had the plates shot in New York by a second unit [that included cinematographers Patrick Turley, Malik Sayeed and Arthur Jafa]. Once the plates were sent to us, we had them force-developed and balanced to the necessary levels. We’d then go onto our street sets and shoot Tom walking on a treadmill. After setting the treadmill to a certain speed, we’d put some lighting effects on him to simulate the glow from the various storefronts that were passing by in the plates. We spent a few weeks on those shots.”
Alan Cumming scene is great.
― Eliza D., Tuesday, 26 June 2018 13:25 (five years ago) link
The whole thing definitely had the feel of being shot on sets. The couple of b-roll shots (maybe a freeway exit or such?) felt really out of place. The rest of it feels kind of like an 80s video.
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link
you can tell if you're looking out for it. it's one of my favorite things about the movie xp
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link
― mh, Monday, June 25, 2018 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― marcos, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
yeah that's otm for me
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
there aren't many reasonable encounters in this film! mostly at the mechanical orgy.
Cumming said they shot his scene for a week, and that Kubrick laughed a lot.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
if you know downtown Manhattan well, and that Cruise was never on those streets because Kubrick wasn't, you could surmise that something like that projection process was done.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
The rest of it feels kind of like an 80s video.
yes. specifically this one that has the same plot as EWS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miGUnKWcYeo
i'm always posting about this ha.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHB6etnELE
I admire this movie and how it was made a lot more than I like it. Probably my least favourite Kubrick
― mind how you go (Ross), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
Was just with a friend the other day who has been to Sir Ivan's Hamptons Castle on several occasions, including one of the big orgy nights. Fascinating stories.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
Go on...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
You make my eyesYou make my eyes wide shutYou make my eyes You make my eyes wide shut
Woah-oh-OHWoah-OH-oh
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link