Makes sense to me.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 February 2018 05:23 (six years ago) link
June 9, 2016 ~ Half Scoop's, Jar Jar's, Manafort's, and Bannon's Trump Tower Russia meetingJune 9, 2016 ~ Trump tweets about missing Clinton emailsJune 12, 2016 ~ Wikileaks promises to release more Clinton emails
July 18, 2016 ~ Trump campaign surrogates make RNC Platform Committee soften stance against Russia, reduce support for Ukraine- Other Platform Committee members note that 2scoops's people took almost no interest in any other platform planks- Carter Page congratulates Trump surrogates via email: "As for the Ukraine amendment, excellent work." http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-congressional-testimony-transcript-steele-dossier-2017-11July 22, 2016 ~ Wikileaks releases DNC emails
but tax cuts! tax cuts!!
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link
maybe we should place upper age limits on voting too
A Florida woman who ran a Trump supporters page that unwittingly promoted a Russian-coordinated event on Facebook says she doesn’t believe that she was influenced by Kremlin-linked trolls https://t.co/DmgDRFRwyn pic.twitter.com/OAz5julCyA— CNN (@CNN) February 21, 2018
― maura, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
What if outrage over Russian interference could lead to a broader discussion about the dangers of online psyops, soft power, and meddling in other countries affairs instead of a one-note outrage orgy by partisan hacks who defend these same practices when done by the US— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) February 21, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
Russian bot activity goes back decades. #knowyourmasters pic.twitter.com/dQrYhaGd16— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) February 23, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
pointhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/taibbi-russiagate-skeptics-take-a-beating-mueller-probe-w517006
counterpointhttps://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/02/26/the-mounds-of-evidence-russiagate-skeptics-have-to-ignore/
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
That Taibbi piece's entire opening premise was completely undercut by this piece from someone who worked at Facebook
https://www.wired.com/story/how-trump-conquered-facebookwithout-russian-ads/
"During the run-up to the election, the Trump and Clinton campaigns bid ruthlessly for the same online real estate in front of the same swing-state voters. But because Trump used provocative content to stoke social media buzz, and he was better able to drive likes, comments, and shares than Clinton, his bids received a boost from Facebook’s click model, effectively winning him more media for less money. In essence, Clinton was paying Manhattan prices for the square footage on your smartphone’s screen, while Trump was paying Detroit prices. Facebook users in swing states who felt Trump had taken over their news feeds may not have been hallucinating."
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
(also distrustful of any pal of greenwald's saying 'it's not that big of a deal,' tbh)
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
not to mention so much is classified that we are getting incomplete pieces of a puzzle. in the other thread, we agree that it's hard to tell where Mueller's going, but note that things are definitely happening. Taibbi seems to think this means it might be a nothingburger, even though as I previously said, we've only seen pieces of a much larger puzzle.
I mean it's like saying "NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT OJ KILLED WIFE, CALL ME A SKEPTIC" 48 hours after he was arrested
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
tbf, it's been many years and they still haven't found the killer, so ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
yeah but OJ's looking for the killer, remember
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
How is he supposed to do that if people keep taking away his money and resources?
So re: Mueller: the guy was FBI director for 12 (!) years. Why are there seemingly so few pictures, let alone gifs/memes, in circulation? These are the important questions!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
at last, someone has linked two Stories of the Century I have never found personally compelling. xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
I'm fascinated by this because there is such a cinematic quality to all of it - not just the fact that we never see or really hear from him, but also his legendary sense of thoroughness and his reputation as the ultimate bureaucrat...apparently absolutely nothing gets past him. Compared to Trump, who wants nothing more than to be on TV all the time, doesn't really care about anything in depth, whose sense of right and wrong only depends on how things pertain to him. There's actually a good WaPo article about this very thing, though I feel I've mentioned it in the USPol thread several times
― frogbs, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
two Stories of the Century I have never found personally compelling
If you view the story as "the Russians stole the election for Trump by tweeting thousands of nasty remarks about HRC", then I could see being unimpressed by it. But for many months the Watergate story appeared to be "a third rate burglary by some misguided Cuban exiles and some other guy with somewhat puzzling connections to the administration", until it expanded. The Russian influence story has not yet expanded to its full size.
Eventually, I think it is likely to reveal Trump was actively involved in international racketeering in partnership with the Russian mafia, shady Russian banks, shadier Russian billionaires, and ultimately with Putin's security and intelligence agencies. Pee tape or no pee tape, I find that outcome would be kind of compelling when you're talking about the President of the United States.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:48 PM (one hour ago)
oh is that why you post one snarky "russiagate isn't real" tweet after another, because you don't find the story "personally compelling"
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
you and your fellow Russkie hunters could nail Yam's ass to the wall on a dozen other things we DO have sufficient evidence on, if you had the power.
one snarky "russiagate isn't real" tweet after another
As Bob Dole said, "Stop lying about my ILX record."
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
i mean once again i would like to point out that all of this is very very probably about the money, and that’s why trump is so caged animal about it
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
trump is broke and in hock to the shady russians who launder cash through all his tacky ass buildings
but the path to that is long and winding thanks to trump being a liar with a cult of personality
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
absolutely, anything that is mysterious about him is the nonmystery of money.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
So much weirdness in here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/27/in-thai-jail-after-sex-training-a-model-who-rattled-russian-elite-asks-u-s-for-help
MOSCOW — A self-described sex expert whose videos highlighted the ties between one of Russia’s richest men and the Kremlin has been jailed in Thailand and is calling for U.S. help, claiming she has information about links between Russia and President Trump.Anastasia Vashukevich, an escort-service worker from Belarus who catapulted to a certain measure of fame after filming a yacht trip with Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska and Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Prikhodko, was detained in Thailand over the weekend in a police raid on her “sex training” seminar. While still in custody on Tuesday, she published Instagram videos asking U.S. journalists and intelligence agencies to help her.
Anastasia Vashukevich, an escort-service worker from Belarus who catapulted to a certain measure of fame after filming a yacht trip with Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska and Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Prikhodko, was detained in Thailand over the weekend in a police raid on her “sex training” seminar. While still in custody on Tuesday, she published Instagram videos asking U.S. journalists and intelligence agencies to help her.
She should probably make herself comfortable in Thai jail.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
whoa when did Bob Dole post to ILX
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
oh shit
that's the woman in the video upthread right?
xpost
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:32 (six years ago) link
Yeah, she's that hooker/escort/gal pal of that Russian oligarch/star of that weird epic Russian take-down video.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
Want to hear some wanton Nastya gossip that I’m going to irresponsibly pass on? (With one solid source, however.) Nastya is said to know the sexworkers who were at the Ritz that...night. https://t.co/WaQ8gh7Z57— Virginia Heffernan (@page88) February 27, 2018
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
there’s also stuff about a government plane that had a lot of cocaine on it when it flew from argentina and now it’s in thailand because some mucky muck wants to talk to their govt about prisoner conditions?remember that tweet about the last season of america from 2016? i keep thinking of it lately
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
The U.S. intelligence community developed substantial evidence that state websites or voter registration systems in seven states [Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Illinois, Texas and Wisconsin] were compromised by Russian-backed covert operatives prior to the 2016 election — but never told the states involved, according to multiple U.S. officials.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/u-s-intel-russia-compromised-seven-states-prior-2016-election-n850296
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
so apparently a WAtchdog is looking at the alleged "improper FISA applications".
is this really a good move for the Trump admin? I mean, watchdogs tend to be bipartisan and impartial, and if he comes back with a "no wrongdoing", what does it help? I see the "people will have forgotten by then" angle but then why have the Watchdog look into it at all?
Even the "we can say the Inspector General is crooked and corrupt" isn't really going to have legs enough to make it worthwhile.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 23:28 (six years ago) link
I think they are fully in throw-everything-at-the-wall mode (as w Nunes memo) doesn't really matter so long they can create some noise
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
I get that he can and will do it, but it won't move the needle much. not that this has stopped him before.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
I really don't care about public trust in the motherfucking FBI
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
yeah if there was some way Trump and the FBI could resolve this in some sort of conjoined death pact that would rule
― Simon H., Wednesday, 28 February 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link
why don't we just redraw the state lines, make 50 new states
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
except for the 5 mile radius around my house, that's another country
I doubt the fbi is going away, and once he gets the lackies in it he wants, overseen by Prince or whoever, he will ride like a motherfucker for the fbi. So im willing to go with a counter-trump fbi til he’s gone. Time is not our friend.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
man I hope Prince leads the FBI from Heaven, it'll be mad sexy
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 04:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/02/27/russia-hacking
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 04:52 (six years ago) link
uh I have a question are you guys "down w/ the FBI" meaning this FBI/J Edgar heritage/post-Patriot act FBI or do you actually wish there was no law enforcement at the federal level
I mean nobody likes cops but
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 06:43 (six years ago) link
everybody's got a big but, as Special Agent Pee-wee Herman often said
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 06:53 (six years ago) link
i know you are but what am i
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 06:56 (six years ago) link
Deep in the heart of Texas!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:15 (six years ago) link
deep in the heart of moscow
http://theweek.com/speedreads/758012/mueller-reportedly-interested-trumps-hotel-room-moscow
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
Hmm, I wonder why he's so interested in that hotel room?
Seriously, though, at this point even the pee tape would hardly qualify as kompromat. Trump is a walking embarrassment. But maybe the hookers are a savvy smokescreen, and in fact he was meeting with *Putin* in that hotel room!
And then Putin peed on the bed.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
If everyone’s expectations are low enough and loyalty is purely tribal, they let you do it.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
That would seem to answer the question I posed about Abramson vs. Marshall's reading of the case theory - Mueller's people are at least running down the road Abramson has lain out.
― Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
Yeah i think the point made earlier that mueller is the anti trump in terms of systematic thoroughness was correct. which given mueller’s resources and background is kinda “well, duh, hunt3r,” but plodding, thorough care seems so out of style.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
also in his 70s, mueller has way better hair
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link