Totally mystified by all the Eileen criticisms itt. McGlue was the one that felt like an overextended short story. flopson otm about that particular scene, though iirc constipation is a recurring theme throughout the book, and I just remember reading it and seeing that house so vividly and feeling how cluttered and trapped she was. Never thought once that it was overextended or too conventional, it was a very weird, dark, and satisfying novel. I do prefer Homesick for Another World though.
― flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
https://longreads.com/2018/07/05/a-person-alone-leaning-out-with-ottessa-moshfegh/
new moshfegh alert! drudge sirens!
The narrator of Ottessa Moshfegh’s new novel, My Year of Rest and Relaxation, a 24-year-old New Yorker, wants to shut the world out — by sedating herself into a near-constant slumber made possible by a cornucopia of prescription drugs. In various states of semi-consciousness, she begins “Sleepwalking, sleeptalking, sleep-online-chatting, sleepeating… sleepshopping on the computer and sleepordered Chinese delivery. I’d sleepsmoked. I’d sleeptexted and sleeptelephoned.” Her daily life revolves around sleeping as much as possible, and when she’s not sleeping, she’s pretty much obsessed with strategizing how to knock herself out for even longer the next time, constantly counting out her supply of pills.
― na (NA), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
oh there's already an update on that up there. sorry.
― na (NA), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
yea im excited for this
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
preordered way back in February Looks like this is the Ambien and Oprah novel
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
I think the thing that I have in common with this character is that I am acutely aware of how much I do not like my own mind. When I’m not distracted by my imagination or by something external, time passing feels like I’m just waiting for the time to pass until I die. It’s kind of like vigilant awareness of mortality and mindfulness.
otm
― flopson, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/09/ottessa-moshfeghs-otherworldly-fiction
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
Moshfegh once told Vice, which published some of her early work, “My writing lets people scrape up against their own depravity, but at the same time it’s very refined . . . it’s like seeing Kate Moss take a shit.”
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 July 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
lmao. love her
― flopson, Friday, 6 July 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
Yeah, will be buying this next week.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
When I’m not distracted by my imagination or by something external, time passing feels like I’m just waiting for the time to pass until I die.
This is an ego problem, not a mind problem.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
Get one mustard seed, why dontcha
― Pwn Goal Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
new book is great so far, pretty early on tho
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
yea im maybe 60 pgs ini mean this in a value neutral way but it reads like fight club sorta idkgetting away from toxic femininity and social climbing by sleeping rather than getting away from toxic consumerism by fighting
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
Dwight Garner says that she writes with "so much misanthropic aplomb, however, that she is always a deep pleasure to read."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link
Also 60 pages in, waiting for the bomb to split.
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 July 2018 04:42 (five years ago) link
I can’t quite get with Dwight Garner, sorry.
― Pwn Goal Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 July 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
I mean in general, not what he said about OM.
― Pwn Goal Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:28 (five years ago) link
Finished the book just now. Really disappointed.
~~~~SPOILERS~~~~
using 9/11 for suspense / as a central dramatic device is such a cliché and so worn out and I'm stunned that a writer as talented as OM would utilize it.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 15 July 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link
Having a similar reaction to this as I had to The Killing of a Sacred Deer. Need to sit with it.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
Ottessa Moshfegh really, really loves herself, doesn't she?
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 July 2018 04:44 (five years ago) link
haven’t read the nyorker profile yet but a friend recounted to me the story of how she met her partner (came over to interview her, and stayed inside her house for 17 days) i thought that was very romantic
― flopson, Thursday, 19 July 2018 05:38 (five years ago) link
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison)
don't you?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 05:52 (five years ago) link
Should be part of yr Buddha nature.
― Isora Clubland (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:15 (five years ago) link
I loathe myself, and I'm not that keen on her, either.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:21 (five years ago) link
i've only read her short story collection which is at times brilliant and at times truly horrendous, which is how i feel about her generally and her persona in interviews. the husband seems like such a massive bellend.
i've started to read the interviews for a laugh, generally. this one is fairly good: https://longreads.com/2018/07/05/a-person-alone-leaning-out-with-ottessa-moshfegh/
The ’90s were really, really different from the decades that preceded. At least, I felt. A lot of cultural shifts happened. You could get away with being weirder. Now things are so policed. You can’t even really express an opinion without getting haters on social media. But in the ’90s we had Nirvana
not sure i could bother with a novel.
― FernandoHierro, Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:22 (five years ago) link
lol
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 10:35 (five years ago) link
seems like a smart decision
― flopson, Thursday, 19 July 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
The NYer profile completely turned me off of ever reading her. My loss, perhaps.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:27 (five years ago) link
Maybe she meant it this way: "But in the '90s we had Nirvana *smirk* "
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:27 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
Who should we be reading besides Moshfegh? It seems like a problem with all media but we're living in a time where the gonzo-ness of reality is outstripping literature's ability to articulate anything compelling or insightful about it.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
She's far and away the best young fiction writer in America. Struggling to think of anyone else that's even close.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
https://www.thecut.com/2018/07/profile-ottessa-moshfegh.html
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
At the time I read moshfegh's story collection, I was also reading a novella about someone skating in abandoned swimming pools while dealing with her brother's drug addiction, and another novella about a corridista who sings himself into a ganglord's castle, and none of them struck me as being better or worse than the other (to the point I don't remember who the authors are). What is it about moshfegh you would say is more deserving of attention?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
I relate to her misanthropy, her cynicism, her confidence, and her wounded optimism. On a technical level she's a fantastic writer & in the story collection demonstrated a pretty stunning range of voices & managed to consistently surprise me. And she's hilarious.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
imo if a profile of a writer turns you off the writer the blame likely lies more on the writer of the profile of the writer herself. i love her interviews ymmv
― flopson, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
If the appeal of a writer is largely persona-driven, then it seems like a good proxy for whether you'd enjoy reading her stuff, though.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
It’s not at all persona driven for me. I knew nothing about her before I read Homesick for Another World - the qualities I listed above I found in her writing.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
Right, but the qualities you initially point to describe a representation of an author, a voice, a sensibility, which are things I don't particularly like about, say, David Eggers' writing, but I'm enjoying Monk of Mokha right now.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
Okay... what is the question again
― flappy bird, Friday, 20 July 2018 01:36 (five years ago) link
Which question? It seems like you answered that the distinguishing appeal is the specific personality and attitude that comes through her writing. I couldn't really speak to the technical level of writing as it didn't seem miles and away more accomplished than two randomly selected pieces of fiction I happened to have picked up at the time. Is there something specific you'd say she does on a technical level that other writers don't do as well?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
haven’t read the new one yet but the stories, mcglue, and eileen are all v different and i don’t get a consistent persona from reading her stuff. she’s a bit of an ‘edgelord’ i guess but in a way i find cool
― flopson, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
the appeal of her writing was v immediate to me but ive had mixed results in turning friends onto her, if u don’t like the stories it’s nbd, like there’s no big secret to it; flappy’s description gets at her appeal pretty well. i would say maybe try mcglue just bc it’s an awesome piece of writing, if you still wanna give it a try
― flopson, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:03 (five years ago) link
I read the stories and eileen and they did seem of a piece, a kind of similar detachment. what should I look for in mcglue from a writing POV? (I feel like if i notice what a writer is doing, the writer's doing a bad job, so i'm not going to automatically take notice of really good writing)
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:15 (five years ago) link
this thread makes me remember that i thought mcglue sounded like something i'd enjoy, despite my reservations. may well give it a try.
― FernandoHierro, Friday, 20 July 2018 13:03 (five years ago) link
anybody else finish the book yet? thoughts?
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
She has a talent for depicting squalor.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
I started it and I'm not sure how I feel yet, but it does make for excellent bedtime reading.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
Yeah. Not to mention that Trevor seems to be based on P Bateman or maybe since it’s set 15 years after A Psycho, that character might be modeling his personality on the book / movie. The scenes with him in it with the main character read like rosencrantz and guildenstern style perspective shifts of scenes that could be A Psycho outtakes.
― calstars, Sunday, 17 February 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
read the first two stories in the collection. (i know -- not enough to form an impression -- but still, form one i did.)
she is an extremely talented humorist. both "bettering myself" and "mr. wu" are kind of like, elaborate and fucked up jokes. "bettering myself" is less depressing because the narrator, who is the butt of the joke, is also in on the joke.
the characters are profoundly alienated and misanthropic. their lives feel like a kind of purgatory. probably more than half of all contemporary literary fiction seems to feature characters like this, which seems notable.
the ending of "mr wu" is brilliant, deranged and masterfully crafted. but i'm not sure what i'm supposed to make of that story or that character. i also wonder if anyone found that story racist.
― treeship., Monday, 13 January 2020 04:07 (four years ago) link
HOLY SHIT
Ottessa Moshfegh’s My Year of Rest and Relaxation is to be made into a movie by none other than Yorgos Lanthimos. Name a more iconic duo. H U G E !— Louise Benson (@benson_louise) January 6, 2020
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 23:40 (four years ago) link
New novel Death in Her Hands out in August (was scheduled for this month)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71D6XhjXZQL.jpg
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link
Cover art on her books is consistently far better than the contents deserve
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 9 April 2020 12:30 (four years ago) link
I'm surprised I haven't seen more mentions of 'My Year...' as proto-quarantine lit.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link
“Sub-American Psycho shit” is still basically where I am with “my year” but I would watch the lanthimos adaptation no question
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link
sad this got pushed back but i have enough to read rn i guess
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
i read mcglue a little after i was being grumpy on this thread. maybe i would have felt more charitable about it had i not read my year first but, gosh.
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 16 April 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link
She is very gifted but what I’ve read of her work is incredibly and unrelentingly misanthropic. The fact that someone so talented is writing about characters like this—like, that this is for her a plausible representation of humanity as such, even if it’s supposed to be a slight parody—is cause for alarm I think.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link
I’ve only read that short story collection and the stories were really funny and well-crafted but unrelenting. There really wasn’t any sympathy or generosity in there, that I saw, to add levity to the pettiness and seething hatred. This was the source of the humor, obviously—like a really committed version of curb your enthusiasm—but it seems notable that these kind of characters and narratives feel naturalistic to contemporary. It’s like one part of human psychology has been given outsized prominence. It’s either a problem with capitalism or with fiction.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:18 (four years ago) link
*feels naturalistic to contemporary readers
Including myself, I should say. I wouldn’t be surprised to open up the minds of other New Yorkers, for instance, and find these kinds of bizarre solipsistic dramas playing out.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:21 (four years ago) link
McGlue seems like it could be interesting though. Hard to imagine what she’d do with a historical setting.
― treeship., Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/books/ottessa-moshfegh-death-in-her-hands.html
― johnny crunch, Friday, 17 April 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
Just finished the new one, love it.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link
Nice didn’t realize it was out yet
― flopson, Thursday, 2 July 2020 05:42 (three years ago) link