yup
― crüt, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link
Glass herself has debunked the myth that “Alice Practice” etc were recorded without her consent or knowledge. She cites them as Kath’s campaign to minimise her creative role in the band, a bit like “well she didn’t know what she was doing but I saw the potential.” So that’s not abusive per se, whatever the ugliness of the relationships outside that context.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link
Although if you meant that the motivation behind the extremist/desperate tone of her vocals was her real life horrifying relationship, and that’s abhorrent, then yes agree absolutely.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
yeah I agree there was no way to make that leap based on the music alone. But critics did look the other way when the band cynically exploited domestic abuse for marketing purposes, and critics readily bought into the narrative that both Kath and Glass were both difficult, almost equally problematic people. Again, not saying we could have or should have known what was actually going on, but there were some red flags that make me feel a shitload guiltier about having supported this band than I do compared to, like, Pinegrove or something
― Evan R, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:47 (six years ago) link
Although if you meant that the motivation behind the extremist/desperate tone of her vocals was her real life horrifying relationship, and that’s abhorrent
yeah exactly, even disregarding the circumstances of the recordings, which I can't know (maybe they were fun and enjoyable and a great experience for everybody), it's horrific knowing the muse wasn't fictional, that it was in some pretty clear ways a reflection of a toxic, controlling relationship. And it's really not much of a leap based on the reporting to guess that Kath justified his abusive tactics as "in the interest of the art" or some horrid BS like that
― Evan R, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
Extremely good news.
I won in court today!! the defamation lawsuit against me was dismissed !thank you so much for the love and support throughout this ugly process— ALICE GLASS (@ALICEGLASS) February 23, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
very nice
― flappy bird, Friday, 23 February 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Excellent news
― Simon H., Friday, 23 February 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
katherine otm
I really liked this band and definitely part of that was this obscurely sinister aspect of their sound, but now those features can only be understood as sickening. But only in retrosepcr. At the time I never thought it “sounded like a woman being abused,” I thought it sounded like a dynamic, unusal vocalist giving voice to feelings like desperation and anger.
― treeship 2, Friday, 23 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link