In front of what?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
Nobody is prepared to try and position themselves as the putative leader of the Democratic party, an utterly thankless and mostly impossible job unless you actually win the Presidency, at which point it remains mostly impossible but at least Paul Krugman might notice you. And without a leader or a hierarchy there's no place for coherent, consistent messages and strategies to come from. Each candidate has their own priorities and ways of trying to achieve them.
I thought this was a fair rundown on the issue, although there's not nearly enough gnashing of teeth and angsty spittle for some of us, I'm sure: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/02/senate-democrats-immigration
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
Is it time to trot out the old Will Rogers joke about the Democrats, yet?
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
i agree that the party not in the presidency should have a "leader". "but we're not europe, that's not how it works here" - well the way it "works" appears to fuckin suck. maybe the way to do it is to have the primaries.. like.. 2-3 years before the election. with the option somehow to have another primary closer to the election if there's support for that. this way you have a real government in waiting. and presidential elections wouldn't have to take like 18 months because the primaries would have already happened, and everyone would be pretty familiar with the candidates already.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
Okay.....
Our Revolution is backing Dennis Kucinich over the Elizabeth Warren-backed former director of the CFPB Richard Cordray. https://t.co/SYff0LW0GN— Zachary #FBPE (@zatchry) February 20, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
not that surprising considering the commitments DK made recently on ending oil and gas drilling in OH
― Simon H., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
I'd love to know whether globetrotting Elizabeth Kucinich is a foreign agent
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
earnestly can't tell if that's satire
― Simon H., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
Yeah I donβt know either. But I thought this was interesting in light of his more recent weird Trump supporting/Fox regular phase.
https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-king-of-spin/Content?oid=1503534
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
political opportunists can be useful
― Simon H., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
a piano dropped from a great height at the right moment can be useful
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
I don't know that it's a good or correct call, I just assume the statements he released recently (incl pushing for a statewide ban on AR-15s) are a direct result of his going after this endorsement. as to whether or not he's really markedly worse than Warren's guy, other folks can attest
― Simon H., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
he is demonstrably bad at getting people to vote for him
― T'Chadwick (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
Yeah, ol' Dennis didn't even make it through January in the 2008 primaries, then didn't endorse Obama until 2 months after he won the nomination.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
lmao fuck
― Simon H., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
even though his positions seem to be pretty good most of the time afaict i've always felt like he was kind of a nitwit.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
I mean I'll always have much love for Dennis for standing up to the utilities and banks as mayor despite the resulting default, but he is well past his sell-by date as a politician.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
a frequent FOX News guest and a praiser of Trump's "American carnage" speech
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
yeah i had a kucinich '04 sticker on my guitar case in high school but denny pack it in brother wyd
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
Republican well-financed and wingnut media supported spin on tax plan now gaining ground....
The tax overhaul that President Trump signed into law now has more supporters than opponents, buoying Republican hopes for this yearβs congressional elections.
The growing public support for the law coincides with an eroding Democratic lead when voters are asked which party they would like to see control Congress. And it follows an aggressive effort by Republicans, backed by millions of dollars of advertising from conservative groups, to persuade voters of the lawβs benefits
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/business/economy/tax-overhaul-survey.html
Dems and Dem groups quoted in right-wing site/newspaper article. Priorities USA, a top Democratic super PAC, released a memo calling on Democrats to message more consistently against the tax law. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-struggle-with-rising-popularity-of-gop-tax-law/article/2649354
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
fwiw i am getting an extra $38 per paycheck, which adds up to around an extra $832 a year.
contrast that to last year when i was penalized more than that by the mandate for NOT having insurance.
messaging problems indeed.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
"oh hey this is a (x) trillion dollar wealth transfer to the top .(x)% and this is a bad thing" (insert correct/exact figures) would have been a fine line to trot out early, often, and consistently, one would think, but it's not clear to me that this was done widely enough
― Simon H., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
A liberal or left group or Schumer or Pelosi or someone needs to create a nice twitter hashtag phrase spelling it out too, plus maybe Tom Steyer and DCCC and others should buy some ads saying that (rather than focusing on impeachment and Russians)
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
gonna leave this here
Last night conservatives were accusing the Parkland students of being Democratic plants, which is hilarious. The students are formulating policy demands, forcefully stating the moral basis of their cause and communicating on social media. The Democrats don't know how to do that https://t.co/KS9BdVgZNK— mcc (@mcclure111) February 19, 2018
― persona non gratin (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
brrapbrrap
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
Why do I click through to read the threads. Why do I do it.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
might be lols
― j., Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
If you listen closely to the lyrics of the politically charged music of the early 2000s, it's eerily more applicable to the current situation than it ever was to the Bush administration it was written to protest. System of a Down and GreenDay are great examples.— Alex (@excitable_one) February 18, 2018
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
No
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link
https://goo.gl/images/59vFzZ
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:31 (six years ago) link
"Look closer" was American Beauty's tag line.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
I know I personally base my political views off of System of a Down lyrics.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:36 (six years ago) link
Angels may still deserve to die, but we're even less happy about it now?
― how's life, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link
Sieg Heil to the President Gasbag
― 10 print "eatme" 20 goto 10 (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link
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irl lol
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 06:19 (six years ago) link
heh
We are not afraid. pic.twitter.com/946Vpjccbn— Kaniela Ing (@KanielaIng) February 20, 2018
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
I linked an interview w/ Ing a while back. I like him.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 21 February 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
yeah he seems cool. that's a dumb twitter interaction, but it's a great example of not being afraid to unapologetically pursue almost unbelievably popular policies.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
it's one thing to say you support an unbelievably popular policy and another to force a reckoning on it, though--these last couple shutdowns seem instructive on that front
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 February 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
DCCC steps into TX-7 primary:
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/02/22/rare-move-national-democrats-come-out-against-laura-moser-primary-cand/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
I've been following Jason Westin, who I like a lot, don't know much about Moser, but I don't relish the party taking sides in primary fights (unless there's really something wrong with Moser I don't know about.)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 23 February 2018 05:34 (six years ago) link
Then, referring to a 2014 Washingtonian magazine piece in which Moser wrote that she would rather have a tooth pulled without anesthesia than move to Paris, Texas, Kelly added:"Unfortunately, Laura Moserβs outright disgust for life in Texas disqualifies her as a general election candidate, and would rob voters of their opportunity to flip Texasβ 7th in November.β
I'm sure urban south Texas Democrats would be horrified that someone wouldn't want to live in a rural town on the Oklahoma border.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 23 February 2018 06:24 (six years ago) link
i know he's not perfect, and it's a long shot, but would love it if this guy beat cruz
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfll_mRll1m/
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Saturday, 24 February 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
https://slate.com/business/2018/02/cap-floats-a-new-health-care-plan-called-medicare-extra-and-its-good.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
medicare extra, simply: a public option will either be rendered nonthreatening to the existing insurance industry, and will thus be insufficient; or it will require the same political capital to pass as single-payer, while abdicating responsibility to address health inequality— kill π tim π faust (@crulge) February 22, 2018
― Simon H., Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
I love the Beto challenge, and I don't think it's absolutely impossible for him to win, but I worry that people are throwing money away in a state without the votes yet and against an incumbent whose fundraising to date says little about his potential resources from not just direct contributions but also independent expenditures, especially given the support of the Mercers who gave him $11 million to run for President and the other wealthy fans who more than doubled that number.
― Moo Vaughn, Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
β Moo Vaughn
you know what, at this point, fuck it, throw money away. i'm fucking sick of "smart money" politics.
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
a credible statewide race in texas is *essential* for the half dozen flippable congressional seats. if that requires throwing money away i'm down.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
and the credible state race there sure isn't going to be the one for governor
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
As I told my wife, I have spent or donated money on dumber things than a politician who could potentially change the direction of the country for the better.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
as caek understands, turnout for one high profile race will affect the entire ballot. a win isn't always necessary in the high profile race in order to have a net positive effect in power gained.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link