Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

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He's a poet, you know

scrüt (wins), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:11 (one year ago) link

I didn't!

Rewatch complete. Didn't recall the setup for the finale's bank explosion at all. As for the climactic setpiece in the Red Room, I don't know that I'm in love with it, tho it's likely the most surreal thing ever shown on network TV. The way the backwards-recorded dialogue makes everyone sound Swedish makes me wonder if Lynch was having a bit of a go at mocking Bergmanesque "symbolism," but probably not. (But there's a dwarf in The Silence.)

I don't think I can take FWWM again right now, so on to TP:TR.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:37 (one year ago) link

Do not pass go

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:13 (one year ago) link

btw I'd never seen these before, let's hear it for Artistic Integrity lol

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 17:54 (one year ago) link

The episodes would've been so much richer if Lynch hadn't deleted those scenes imo.

Love Theme from Biodome (Old Lunch), Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:35 (one year ago) link

I don't think I can take FWWM again right now, so on to TP:TR.

on the one hand, I totally understand this, it's a brutal movie and probably should only be watched if you are in the right mood. On the other, re-watching the entire original run of TP would be a much more painful process for me. I don't have that kind of stamina and fortitude any more.

Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:44 (one year ago) link

so for me, it's like shit, look what you already made it through!

Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:45 (one year ago) link

FWWM is very much worth rewatching before The Return, which refers to it heavily

Haribo Hancock (sic), Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:47 (one year ago) link

if I've been following correctly, Morbs has not yet watched The Return for the first time.

Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:49 (one year ago) link

oh, I see what you are saying...

Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:50 (one year ago) link

btw my original series rewatch started last JUNE, so 30 episodes over 8-1/2 months was not so exhausting.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:03 (one year ago) link

you are obviously allowed to consume this stuff however you want, but I would never have been able to put off jumping into the new series for 8 months while I re-watched every last episode of the original run. There are so many dire episodes to sit through, while the new series is some of the best TV I've ever seen.

Moodles, Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:15 (one year ago) link

3rd season relies on FWWM stuff a lot! why slog thorugh all that S2 bullshit if you're gonna skip the stuff that matters

Dan I., Monday, 19 February 2018 07:32 (one year ago) link

"Relies," holy fucking spazzdom. I've seen FWWM. If David Lynch's intended interpretation relies that closely on using it as a Rosetta stone, he can shove it.

God save me from Lynchnerds, truly.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 February 2018 08:09 (one year ago) link

You're the ugliest person I know on the internet.

Dan I., Monday, 19 February 2018 08:23 (one year ago) link

by internet standards, I'll wear that with pride.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 February 2018 08:34 (one year ago) link

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Dan I., Monday, 19 February 2018 08:50 (one year ago) link

Lol overreact much

rum dmc (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 08:58 (one year ago) link

Yeah, seems quite OTT. I'm just excited to hear Doc's thoughts on the new stuff.

Moodles, Monday, 19 February 2018 14:27 (one year ago) link

I made it to “amazing” episode eight of the new series. It was very neat. Reminded me of Bela Tarr and Jodorwsky and Warhol. It’s a fine episode of ... something? Then I watched episode nine, and I’m back in “ehh” land.

Apart from the Bomb episode, the whole series so far seems to careen wildly from tone to tone, idea to idea( in a way that doesn’t seem entirely in control. I know that, like, the True Fans can say this is part of the appeal, but it just kinda seems grandstandy. FWIW, I also think TP:TR actually *does* seem more like the end of the original series than the beginning.

I’m enjoying and will continue watching, but Lynch editing Lynch results in a lot of six minute scenes conveying two minutes of information or character or concept, intercut with long hallways and weird medium shots of people in hokey rooms being awkward. Often it feels like three minutes would’ve been atmospheric, and four virtuouso, but my patience runs really thin beyond that.

While I appreciate that Lynch’s susceptibility to the TM “cosmic unconsciousness” silliness permits him to be experimental, I think there are more than a smattering or scenes that tip into self-indulgence.

That being said, I think some of the discipline imposed by the conditions of his earlier work may have forced Lynch to make editorial concessions, where it’s kind of cool to see what he does with few genre and form restraints.

rb (soda), Monday, 19 February 2018 16:03 (one year ago) link

That being said, I think some of the discipline imposed by the conditions of his earlier work may have forced Lynch to make editorial concessions, where it’s kind of cool to see what he does with few genre and form restraints.

i agree with this completely. besides the original series, i think the best example of this is Mulholland Drive, which imo is his best work, and that had a very unusual constraint/limitation- they'd already shot half of it for TV, and when Lynch finally got funding to finish it, he had no ideas, and then at the last minute he went to do his TM and as he said the ideas came "like a string of pearls." constraints like that are never something one seeks out, and obviously the MD situation was super precarious and not something you'd want to repeat even if you could, but it made something amazing. there's no way the tv series MD was envisioned to be would've been better than the final film.

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 17:43 (one year ago) link

I said this in the s3 thread I think but I agree that lynch works well when constrained, and this season of twin peaks was constrained as hell (not in terms of runtime but I mean watch the behind-the-scenes docs if you think he had an unlimited sandbox here). I think eraserhead and inland empire are probably the freest conditions he's ever worked under and they both had very particular sets of limitations that might have shipwrecked a director with different instincts.

It's funny because I will fight you if you think that "fan cut" that reinserts the missing pieces into fwwm is superior, and I absolutely think that blue velvet is as good as it is because lynch and dunham had a mandated length of 2 hours, but I find the pacing of the new twin peaks to be perfect over the 16ish hours. This may not be a great analogy but it's a bit like how a 4hr slow cinema film doesn't feel anywhere near as torturous as a 3hr superman

scotti pruitti (wins), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:03 (one year ago) link

there are threads for S3 btw remy

Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:07 (one year ago) link

xp yeah i was going to mention those behind the scenes docs, they were constrained, though not as strictly or formally as other examples. it's the difference between a mandated run time and not having as much money as you want and having a compressed schedule. anyway, thats all ill say about s3 itt

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 18:30 (one year ago) link

one month passes...
five months pass...

if you're like me, the way i was up until 2 days ago, at least, you know of Invitation to Love, you enjoy the appearances of Invitation to Love in season one, and generally think "invitation to love - it's pretty good". but have you ever watched ALL of invitation to love?

i watched all of this (over 16 minutes) a whopping three times over the weekend, and it is incredible. listen to the ASMR of Montana's leather as he lifts the cigarette to his mouth. the trademark lynch dualism of Jade and Emerald and the mirrored characters representing good and evil.

question for twin peaks superfans: is the audio supposed to cut out in two of the final scenes of Invitation to Love? it seems like it is probably intentional, because both audio cutouts occur during scenes of violence, the silence adds tension, and it's still possible to follow the action.

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 September 2018 18:54 (one year ago) link

whoops, let's try that again:

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 September 2018 18:54 (one year ago) link

twin peaks trivia: Tim Heidecker stars in Invitation to Love

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 September 2018 18:55 (one year ago) link

CHET: our marriage is in the past. experience is a great and bitter teacher.
EMERALD: so is money. Chet, you're a fool. and Jade's a fool. But my father's the biggest fool of all.

*Montana appears out of nowhere*

MONTANA: so what does that make me?

*Chet looks on in horror as Montana leather jacket noisily crunches as he lights a cigarette*

CHET: Montana! I -
MONTANA: hello, beautiful.
EMERALD: i knew you'd come back

*Chet takes a big drink*

CHET: we didn't expect to see you back here in town so soon, Montana.
MONTANA: i had a change in direction.
EMERALD: so Montana, tell me - did you find that rainbow you were looking for?
MONTANA: plenty of rainbows. no pot of gold. *leather noises*
CHET: i'm not sure how i'm feeling about this.
EMERALD: Chet, shut up and get Montana a drink! he must be absolutely parched after 18 months in a rainforest *makes out with Montana*
CHET: how long are you planning to stay in town, Montana?
MONTANA: long enough to see you two. And my ex-wife. tell me, Chet - how is Jade? *intense leather crunch noises*

NARRATOR: Invitation to Love...will be right back

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 September 2018 19:07 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

So long, Norma.

I think of her as more famous for Twin Peaks at this point, but they only mentioned The Mod Squad on the story I just heard.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 May 2019 21:59 (four months ago) link

some lady! RIP x

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:06 (four months ago) link

See you in my dreams~

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 13 May 2019 00:39 (four months ago) link

We both know that tune, don’t we?

milkshake chuk (wins), Monday, 13 May 2019 05:37 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Dear Twitter Friends, “It’s yrev very good to see you again old friends.”

— David Lynch (@DAVID_LYNCH) August 21, 2019

flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 17:18 (three weeks ago) link

what is in the box david

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 17:23 (three weeks ago) link

P sure that's just a repackaging of the entire series (no FWWM) based on something I read a while back. Looks nice, though.

Dez Tekken (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 17:24 (three weeks ago) link

There’s a box set of all three series coming out, yeah. This box is a different, limited thing tho:

Twin Peaks: From Z To A, a deluxe 21-disc collection of everything Twin Peaks plus over 20 hours of special feature content will be available by the end of 2019!

This worldwide Blu-ray only release includes every ‘Episode’ and ‘Part’ of all three seasons of Twin Peaks, the Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me feature film and its deleted scenes called The Missing Pieces. On top of over six hours of previously unreleased bonus content, it will also include the special features from Twin Peaks: The Entire Mystery released in 2014 as well as Twin Peaks: A Limited Event Series from 2017. The set is limited to 25,000 copies worldwide and will first hit U.S. and Canada on December 10, 2019, followed by an international roll-out on yet to be announced dates.

YouGov to see it (wins), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:03 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, nice.

I'd like to see the commentaries from the original season 1 DVD set restored at some point but that's probably not gonna happen.

Dez Tekken (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

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