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I haven't kept up with the thread but, if my example of a post-Adorno pop-hating pop writer is a fiction, to the point of being inconceivable, I'm pretty sure that actually supports the point I was getting at: I was NOT saying that poptimist writers always love (or should always love) the most popular music purely because it is popular; that is not a critique of poptimism that I would take seriously at all. I do think, though, that this critical approach is almost by necessity still less detached or sociologically-minded than "popularity itself is worth studying" seems to imply to me - it seems to require at the least a pretty significant appreciation of the basic aesthetic values of mainstream pop music (which does have a pretty clear and distinct set of aesthetic values at any given time). That definitely doesn't mean the poptimist has to love any given individual pop song but it will probably mean, statistically, that the poptimist will love a large number, or eventually become less actually-poptimist, for the same reasons you give. As such, I'm not convinced that it is radically different from 'rockism', which was also rooted in an appreciation for the aesthetic values of a Golden Era of Pop (and provided plenty of attendant political rationalizations for this preference).

Btw, I do know scholars who prefer other musics as listeners or musicians but who study pop because "popularity itself is worth studying" (or pragmatic in career terms). No one considers them poptimists afaik.

Not a soundalike, to their credit, but some quality glide guitar (Joy Division and Jesu in there too): https://planningforburial.bandcamp.com/track/dull-knife-pt-i-2

I don't wanna be that guy but I just don't find these lol funny

it's DEMURS not DEFERS

Lol

i quite like these guys but this is a awkard embarrassing typo of a thread title

Mild start there

i'm glad we're back to ilx's main area of expertise: the politics of celebrities

Western Europeans/North Americans who fantasize about the Soviet bloc are a special brand of deluded.

If that's directed at who I think it's directed at then they're neither Western European or North American.

If they live in either region my point still stands.

Otherwise it's a lesser kind of delusion but a delusion all the same.

what are they

tread lightly or the puppy gets it

#Don'tTapeMeBro

What the dickens...

Nevermind

I'm amazed no-one has said "Why couldn't it have been Morrissey?"

where is your Billy Corgan Alex Jones poll? oh nvmd let's all dunk on someone for being a crazy woman what a great idea

I don't disagree but things Billy Corgan said to Kim Thayil in Australia in 1994 poll

Shhhh shhh the narrative

yeah we already have a legendary thread that is a poll for crazy Billy quotes

o snap there's a Billy Zane quote thread?

not yet, get on it tho

can't speak for the motive of the poll starter anymore than I can speak for that behind Adam's performative male feminism but few if any of the quotes from that interview seem 'crazy', with the arguable exceptions of ones which are quoting someone else

can't decide whether this is "least enticing" or if i need to start a thread called "horrible thread titles by overexcitable indies"

https://s10.postimg.org/r7enp8grd/68_D25_F85-7_FE7-4463-_B930-8_F5_D9_F6_EC3_D2.jpg

Dale, yes, Bob, no

It's a superhero comic movie made in hollywood

When did I turn into liberal David Brooks?

Phillip Schofield is looking a bit rough these days.

lol this film is so bad

now trying to work out whether mark was gonna post that in the eyes wide shut or black panther threads

they're no dunkirk

luv2defend my cinematic hero chris nolan, who is not at all a creepy robot with no understanding of human emotion

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you could have done that in two letters tbf

😝

Idk, maybe they did if they RTed someone who was focused on shit-talking a leftist candidate more than they RTed someone who was focused on health care and tuition?

Eh, why not?

don't know which is more naive, the fact that i never realised this football existed, or the fact that i assumed it would be football-shaped

Probably not the best-judged epithet to use in this case

You'd hope ignorance surely

Post the contract

He’s South African, you dumb motherfucker.

tfw when the x-posts delay stops you posting something extremely hostile and mocking

have to assume somebody is polling billy corgan's nationality

if you chum it, they will come

:D

feel like this must be a counterspoof

Political professionals are journeymen who are often ideologically and geographically flexible in their assignments, though usually rooted in some spectrum of core belief. That and a longterm relationship help explain longtime "establishment" Dem operative Tad Devine (Bentsen, Bob Kerrey, Gore, Kerry, Corzine, Menendez, McCaskill, Bill Nelson, etc.)'s becoming Bernie's chief strategist. Whether they are sufficient to explain that role among others he has taken on is another question. Consider that Devine, once chief of staff to mob-tied Providence Mayor Buddy Cianci, after more than two decades at the center of Democratic politics, appears to have been marginalized (or marginalized himself) by the 2008 cycle. That's two years after he first went to work for Paul Manafort (and alongside Tony (but not John) Podesta) on behalf of Putin-aligned Yanukovych and the Party of Regions, and I'm not aware of his having worked for any party-endorsed politician or having had any non-Yanukovych major client since. Certainly no facts involving compromising financial or other incentives have been made public, but that does not mean that they will not develop. Given that Manafort has already been indicted, and Podesta is reportedly a subject of the Mueller investigation, it may be a bit early to draw conclusions on this score.

What can be established, however, is that the typically-negative (sorry, "contrast"ing) message Devine crafted is precisely the opposite of the one he had previously used on behalf of establishment candidates, which regardless of the degree of foreign association if any should say something about the degree to which the Sanders campaign was a cynical exercise in friendly fire against the presumptive nominee and fairly inevitable primary victor.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:32 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Those are certainly all words.