This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2017

Respectable:

Best Lead Performance:

1. Saoirse Ronan, Lady Bird (121 points)

2. Timothée Chalamet, Call Me by Your Name (108 points)

3. Cynthia Nixon, A Quiet Passion (101 points)

4. Daniel Day-Lewis, Phantom Thread (86 points)

5. Kristen Stewart, Personal Shopper (85 points)

Not a lot of bites on the elephant in the room, either.

Best Director:
1. Paul Thomas Anderson, Phantom Thread (65 points)
2. Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird (52 points)
3. Jordan Peele, Get Out (51 points)
4. Christopher Nolan, Dunkirk (49 points)
5. Luca Guadagnino, Call Me by Your Name (42 points)
6. Sean Baker, The Florida Project (41 points)
7. Bertrand Bonello, Nocturama (37 points)
8. David Lynch, Twin Peaks: The Return (31 points)
9 (tie). Guillermo del Toro, The Shape of Water (22 points)
9 (tie). Dee Rees, Mudbound (22 points)

tbh this is one of the most consensus of years – I've seen the same movies pop up on everyone's lists.

It happens every year. Every detrius thread charts the progression from "everything's on the table" to "so there really were only seven or eight movies released last year, eh?"

Not seeing The Other Side of Hope enough, or BPM high enough.

OK, after 5 minutes of searching the site, I'll bite: can one see the VV ballots/full results?

And did the Indiewire poll ever come iut?

Bilge says full searchable ballots at the end of the week. (Ed didn't get a ballot, accidentally.)

lots of bilge to get through

*obligatory mary j bilge joke*

Is there any reason to suspect that Dunkirk isn't exactly what I would expect from a WWII flick by Nolan (busy yet boring action scenes, a lot of portentous dialogue, moralism delivered with sledgehammer force)?

it's better than his usual because it has almost no dialogue and the action scenes are crisp but it's like other Nolan films in that it has no reason to exist

The amount of dialogue is relatively spare. It's a somewhat unusual narrative skein, but yes a lot of (gen downbeat) war-movie tropes in a pretty package. xp

for those who saw dunkirk: does it forfeit its reason to be watched on a television; that is, should i have caught it in theaters or not at all?

this has probably been discussed ad infinitum but does anyone else think that the expanded best pic field has evaporated a lot of enthusiasm for the Academy Awards? or maybe it's something else? I recognize my own ambivalence in recent times vs previous decades but i'm sensing it elsewhere too. i don't know if the ratings reflect it, so i might be completely wrong, but i think some of the shine has been taken off.

Yes.

Which is amusing because it's their only significant improvement in a long time

for those who saw dunkirk: does it forfeit its reason to be watched on a television; that is, should i have caught it in theaters or not at all?

I watched it at home and I think the answer to this is yes

this has probably been discussed ad infinitum but does anyone else think that the expanded best pic field has evaporated a lot of enthusiasm for the Academy Awards? or maybe it's something else? I recognize my own ambivalence in recent times vs previous decades but i'm sensing it elsewhere too. i don't know if the ratings reflect it, so i might be completely wrong, but i think some of the shine has been taken off.

― omar little, T

Remember Hannah Arendt: "When all are guilty, none are."

Yeah, catch it in a theater if you can. It's been re-released to theaters where I live, which surprised me at first, but makes total sense. I hated it - we don't need any more WWII movies or any movies that depict war as anything but totally pointless and endlessly destructive - but it absolutely deserves the Best Cinematography Oscar. it's a beautiful looking movie. the sound is really good, too.

it's better than his usual because it has almost no dialogue and the action scenes are crisp but it's like other Nolan films in that it has no reason to exist

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

this is so, so otm. although i enjoyed Interstellar a lot despite the fact that it made no fucking sense

It's the editing one that it really should have a lock on.

I just had to look up the Best Editing category: Dunkirk; Baby Driver; The Shape of Water; I, Tonya; Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. yeah I mean the only competition there really is Baby Driver.

I'd say Dunkirk has both sound awards and editing and that's about it.

It should win everything, of course, except best soundtrack and, uhm, dialogue...

seeing Dunkirk in a theater with all the bells and whistles for $28, no thx

again, this is where moviepass comes in handy

as soon as they let me do it w/out a smartphone, i'm in. (but i don't think IMAX screenings are covered)

i see plenty of stuff with my current resources.

imax / 3d is a no; same for most "in advance" booking so no it's not perfect.
i've seen a total of one 3-d imax film (gravity) and i'm okay never doing either ever again

"Not seeing The Other Side of Hope enough"

this had some very nice Ozu style colours and warmth, and the sushi scene was one of the funniest things I've seen all year.

Yeah, Dunkirk deserves tons of technical awards

Shocked Ladybird isn’t up for best editing, it really was a huge part in telling the story

https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/02/15/film-poll-comments-winners-and-losers/

Man, six slams on Call Me By Your Name in a row...

But then, for Alfred, this:

“Many of this year’s best films (Dunkirk, Nocturama, BPM, The Beguiled) were about the power of collectivity. That’s sort of how The Florida Project starts out, but it eventually retrenches into a selfish world where families and finally individuals turn on one another, as if to imply that in the last analysis, there’s no helping the feral poor. And, when all else fails, go to Disney World.” —Michael Sicinski

ha, there's like two unqualifiedly positive comments in that whole page

And they were both for the latest Gore Verbinski movie.

I liked CMBYN a lot and have my criticisms but every one of those comments reeks of smugness. No sex? No Italian vistas? Did they even watch the movie?

Yeah, most of those comments were askew.

"Non-horror movies that act like horror movies" is my worst nightmare, honeybunch. ;)

I could tell.

With a side helping of "horror movies that act like horror movies."

How on earth do you take Nocturama to be about the power of collectivity?

wait, is Sacred Deer a horror movie or not?

The teamwork of that French SWAT team was awesome and inspiring. xp

xp well it's a comedy, first and foremost

https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/02/16/film-poll-the-full-results/

OK, Twin Peaks came closer to the top 10 than I figured.

there are voters in that pool i haven't thought of in 20 years -- Joanna Langfield, David Ansen -- plus the young turks i've never heard of.

Get Out was indeed "pants" plotwise tho.

pants?

ask the kids

BAFTAs to 3BB

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5405-the-daily-three-billboards-tops-the-baftas

I didn't mention In Transit on the other thread because I saw it several years ago

Skandies poll results ... Nocturama at #1, Vicky Krieps as best actress

http://skandies.org/results/categories.1?year=2017

Can anyone shed any light on how the character of the Skandies panel might lead it to coalesce around Nocturama as the best film of the year?

they're terr'ists eh

at least they don't recognize child rapists like [lists every white guy in movies]

I'm happy with this explanation.