The Return Of My Bloody Valentine

Dälek - Ever Somber comes pretty close except for the drums obv.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Z9i7fxIgk

I'm also voting Cornelius: Salon Music - Galaxie Express (69 mix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA_JaLyZFJo

Ladytron - "Sugar" was very MBV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95lvxzyptj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II9aWvcP66w

I was going to suggest this one by Ulirka Spacek (where the guitar kicks in at 1:27): https://youtu.be/X_1VM36PaaA
...but having listened to the tracks linked to above, some of those are *much* more similar to MBV. So I'll just link to it anyway because I like it.

Lilys - In The Presence of Nothing for sure. To me it is unfairly written off for sounding so similar because there is some excellent craftsmanship that went into that record.

But if the question is who blatantly copied them the most precisely that Ringo Deathstarr track in particular certainly wins the contest.

Swirlies had a very unique and American sound within the spectrum of artists-that-employed-bendy-guitar-and-krautrock-beats post MBV. Lots of slacker indie and lo-fi and punk added to the mix with them. Then They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days In The Glittering World Of The Salons went much further away and it remains one of the most unique and timeless records of the time/scene imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTolIDDtfzk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMDWuj_fsU0

Lock thread.

Re-open thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkCtkT4HRGQ

Lock thread again.

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come on LBI, that's totally different than "only shallow". for example, there are 16 snare hits at the beginning instead of 8

Holy shit, I had no idea that a) the guy from Secret Machines was in School of Seven Bells or that b) he died of cancer in 2013. That's pretty sad.

there are 16 snare hits at the beginning instead of 8

i mean instead of 4!

dammit

True, true KM :)

I was going to post something from Bailter Space (who were of course more or less contemporaneous):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9mlWfgxHfg

Oh god I love that song so much

Met too. Such an underrated band.

Xp. That Ulrika Spacek track is great and sounds like MBV without the occasionally unnerving hoover sound. I really like the powerful, doomy guitar.

i'm so out of the loop. has anyone received the represses of isn't anything or loveless? do they sound any different or is kevin shields, shockingly, an audio madman who obsesses over tiny details that the rest of us can't hear? also, did anyone get the bonus alternative secret free version of isn't anything that came with the pre-orders?

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— TheOfficialMBV (@TheOfficialMBV) February 19, 2018

one person i know says it's the definitive version

it's been a month since my order was apparently shipped. how mangled do you suppose it's going to be when it finally shows up?

supposedly they sound so good because of how warped each record is

how mangled do you suppose it's going to be when it finally shows up?

i have to admit i'm still a bit bummed about the state of my m b v record, which arrived with bad damage to the spine, a big dent on the front cover, and multiple skipping scratches

yeah same thing happened with my m b v so i'm not sure why i trusted them again this time

Every pressing of Loveless I've ever found sounds all wobbly and off-center, I hope they finally have it fixed now

I think that's just the tremolo bar guitar.

i think "lsd and the search for god" are the most blatant mbv clone band i've ever heard

Got the new versions a few days ago (along with bonus test pressing!). Haven't listened to Isn't Anything Yet, but Loveless is perfect.

I expected it to sound dramatically different because of everything that was said about the analog mastering process, but it's Loveless as it always was. You have to crank it up loud as fuck and bathe in perfection.

they arrived today safe and sound, completely unmangled!

A new hour long interview on NPR with Kevin on the remastering? Don't mind if I do.

https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2018/03/06/590948939/my-bloody-valentines-kevin-shields-gets-deep-into-loveless?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nprmusic&utm_term=music&utm_content=20180306

i believe KS is technically apt when it comes to limitations and workflow within the digital/analogue domains, but fuck me, his balls must have went grey listening to the same eleven songs for the umpteenth time! for the sake of preserving their transients and going about things completely analogue for the sake of it... nobody else can honestly tell the difference. if you say you can, you're either absolutely kidding yourself, or neil young.

Hearing is very much a mental process as much as a physical process — partly, you learn to listen in different ways. For example, even people with quite bad hearing have got a certain threshold — there's a certain volume where they can hear things quite well. When I'm working in the studio or mastering, I still tend to be the one who picks up on problems first or pick up on distortions. That's not necessarily a component of good hearing from a technical perspective. It's just the way I hear sound.

i am not an audiologist but this seems uh problematic to me

It would be funny if every time he remastered something it got quieter and quieter as his hearing got worse and worse. Until it's some abstract tape-delay parallel masterpiece.

(Obv. not funny ha-ha). But yeah, his take on hearing seems, well, wrong. But there is definitely something dyadic going on in hearing loss that I don't think we quite understand. By any account Neil Young should be deaf, but he's not (afaik). Pete Townshend had tinnitus and played with an acoustic, protected, with headphones (right?) until he didn't need them anymore. Roger Miller in Mission Of Burma still plays with headphones, I think standing *behind* his amp, or at least did (as did/does Robert Fripp). By any standard many drummers should be hard of hearing, since they can't even turn down their loud instruments, but it doesn't work that way.

he just wants to sell his album for the 3rd time to fans. not with me, boy.

'Loveless' is probably my favorite album. It became my favorite album from the first Sire CD release. My favorite recording ever is "Soon" from 'Glider'. It's my favorite specifically because of how it sounds. I had it on 12" and then the Creation single CD (and the Sire CD). I heard the 'Loveless' remasters on a decent sound-system. I enjoy it on headphones when I'm in the mood to pay specific attention to the sound, but I like speakers for the physical force of it. All that said, it always sounds the same to me. I cannot discern any difference between the versions. I can discern poorly encoded mp3's, but full .wav/apple lossless/vinyl (except for the crackles) always sounds exactly the same.

I'm glad Shields has his hobby, but I wish he'd spend more time on new songs and sounds.

By any standard many drummers should be hard of hearing, since they can't even turn down their loud instruments, but it doesn't work that way.

Plenty of old rock drummers play in sound-baffling "cages" with the rest of the band piped gently in through headphones.

I'm glad Shields has his hobby, but I wish he'd spend more time on new songs and sounds.

Kinda my thought. I have the Sire CD, I have the Creation Glider EP...I'm good.

He's semi-promised a new album this year at least. I want to see them live for the first time - never saw The Fall and don't want to repeat the error :(

Obv you were too young back in 88-92, but how come you didn't see them in 2008?

if a band play one show near you in 30 years, it can be possible that you'll have another appoinment on that day.

I hear you, but they did play the same venue in London several days in a row

I saw this bit:

I want to have decent hearing when I’m old… I do. And it’s like, for my age, I do have some damage and stuff, but it’s still relative. I often see guys at building sites, and you see the noise they’re making and they don’t have hearing protection. You’re just like, “That’s going to hurt you…” and people, in factories… so, it’s a bit tough sometimes, but it’s nothing, to be honest with you, compared to what’s out there.

And it brought to mind something I've thought about, too, about relative volume. When an ambulance passes, or a train, I have to cover my ears. It's almost instinctive. Bur rarely do I have to plug my ears out of discomfort at a show. It's as much the quality of the sounds as the volume.

I remember reading a Times story (2008) about the constant level of noise in Cairo. Here's a bit:

This is not like London or New York, or even Tehran, another car-clogged Middle Eastern capital. It is literally like living day in and day out with a lawn mower running next to your head, according to scientists with the National Research Center. They spent five years studying noise levels across the city and concluded in a report issued this year that the average noise from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. is 85 decibels, a bit louder than a freight train 15 feet away, said Mustafa el Sayyid, an engineer who helped carry out the study.

But that 85 decibels, while “clearly unacceptable,” is only the average across the day and across the city. At other locations, it is far worse, he said. In Tahrir Square, or Ramsis Square, or the road leading to the pyramids, the noise often reaches 95 decibels, he said, which is only slightly quieter than standing next to a jackhammer.

“All of greater Cairo is in the range of unacceptable noise levels from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m.,” Mr. Sayyid said.

By comparison, normal conversation ranges from 45 to 60 decibels, a chain saw registers 100 decibels and a gunshot 140. Because the decibel scale is logarithmic, every 10 decibels equals a tenfold increase in intensity.

Some notes from that NPR interview:

- The speakers and headphones he describes using are $$$$$

- It's hilarious when he tells the interviewer that he needs to buy a different turntable to hear the remaster properly.

i went to Cairo for study abroad around 2006 and it was def not that noisey

my blaring levantine

i went to Cairo for study abroad around 2006 and it was def not that noisey

1) That article was from 2008. Maybe it got louder!

2) If it was too quiet maybe you're already deaf!

US tour this summer <3

https://pitchfork.com/news/my-bloody-valentine-announce-tour/

tickets for oakland secured. I'm sure Ned will be there.

Tix are $73 in Seattle.

apparently there were some pre-sales for the chicago concert that i didn't know about, but general tickets go on sale tomorrow at 10am.