pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

whenever I see the opening posts I wonder if most of the criticism itt is nonsensical

xp agreed

the palm album has a lot of elephant six elements. it also just got a meh mid six review so....

(also it more resembles the fringier e6 bands like secret square, spindly textures and off kilter melodies. i think it’s very good)

This is actually a pretty P4k Classic list with a lot of IDM and indie rock that looks p indistinguishable from the ca. 2002 lists when they started getting serious about Top 50s. I would imagine about 35-40 of these would have made the cut if they had crossed the 12 Rods/Billy Breathes point earlier. Certainly not my Top 50 but def feels like that ol’ 4k. Can’t knock the hustle

*sheds a single tear for Mansun*

Black Star and the back end of Hello Nasty have aged very poorly tho

still dig "I Don't Know" because it reminds me of cute dumb guys sharing drunken wisdom whom I momentarily crushed on in college.

This is actually a pretty P4k Classic list with a lot of IDM and indie rock that looks p indistinguishable from the ca. 2002 lists when they started getting serious about Top 50s. I would imagine about 35-40 of these would have made the cut if they had crossed the 12 Rods/Billy Breathes point earlier. Certainly not my Top 50 but def feels like that ol’ 4k. Can’t knock the hustle

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, February 12, 2018 9:26 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i think the inclusion of a couple emo albums is maybe the only "correction" they've made.

genuinely thought Celebrity Skin would hit top ten

i actually bought 11 of these when they came out which is a pretty high percentage for me and a pitchfork list. (outkast, massive attack, air, boredoms, madonna, gang starr, mercury rev, hole, mark hollis, sunny day real estate, rza.)

i would still play boredoms, mark hollis, and sunny day in 2018. don't need to hear the rest. though mezzanine will always be super cool. i didn't know a single person on earth who was excited about the release of the mark hollis record other than me at the time.

expected tori amos to not be on it; did not expect fiona apple to not be on it

...probably because that came out in 1999 lol shit

why did I think that was a '98 album

juvenile and dmx far too low

From the Choirgirl Hotel is my favorite Amos but I've only seen fervent fandom on this board and FB.

I think I asked for (and got) CDs of the RZA, the Beck and Chef Aid for Christmas of 1998

i never listened to that rza album after i bought it. i mean i played it once or twice. i had high hopes at the time.

on the other hand, i listened to that Juvenile album last week.

Black Star...has aged very poorly tho

I mean, it doesn't sound very much in lockstep with where hip-hop is right now, but it's still a good late night record

Moment of Truth doesn't sound lockstep either but I'd definitely choose it over Black Star

good list overall. 400 degreez is way too low, obviously. Come on, it's definitely better than the sixth or seventh best Sonic Youth album. But I'm glad they made room for Maxwell, Big Pun, Devin The Dude, and Mark Hollis.

xp, they both made the top 20 and they're three slots apart, that's just splitting hairs.

That’s why I mentioned it. Both of those albums were a bit throwback even at the time, but I think MOT sounds a lot better

i bought so many cds in 1998 because of cdnow and music boulevard's three for a dollar per email address deal. the beauty of having your own domain name

I don't remember the 3-4-$1 deal, but Music Blvd also had a $10 coupon with no minimum purchase so I got a ton of free $8-$9 things.

Gee, I wonder why they couldn't stay in business.

i think black star still sounds great

Yeah this is a solid list, would quibble with the order but can't think of too many personal favourites they've missed - DJ Quik, Tori Amos (like katherine says this isn't surprising) and on the emo side, Jets to Brazil.

i think black star still sounds great

― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, February 12, 2018 7:44 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup

new rap album i listened to a ton in 1998. redman. rap album i would most likely play now really really loud: showbiz & ag.

I think my most listened to album was Goodie Mob's Still Standing

The idea that the Blackstar album has aged worse than the majority of the list is pretty laughable.

funny story: in 1999 i went to the rap record store to buy records and i went to pay and to my complete shock Guru was behind the counter (there for an in-store or something) and i was like hey man how you doin' and he was like hey dude what's up and i was totally afraid that he was gonna make fun of me for only buying the slim shady LP and a company flow album. he didn't though. he was nice.

i listened to brand nubian's 1998 album last week. i had completely forgotten that it existed until i got the CD at a record show recently. it really resembles its cover musically. not very memorable.

98 was the best year for rap, i dont think that tribe album would crack my top 30 rap albums for that year and that Bobby Digital album is horrible wtf.

98 was the best year for rap

https://media3.giphy.com/media/p4cqQ0gUIMcU0/giphy.gif

*my favorite

i haven't listened to that tribe album in a long time, but i've always felt it was formless and a little too smooth

bobby digital album is a really really weird pick

it was no 1988 but there was lots of good stuff to listen to in 1998.

would rather listen to a killarmy album than the bobby digital.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010828025610/http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/r/rza/bobby-digital-in-stereo.shtml

Think: "Stan Lee presents... Da Muthaf*&%in' Ghetto!"
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cappadonna the pillage and method man's tical 2000 are both underrated and better than bobby digital

at least they got the #1 pick right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN9muHLuHDc

Hip hop fans who were actually there at the time saw the Bobby Digital album for what it was: a complete and total disappointment. Borderline wack.

Also, xpost to scott: the best song the Black Eyed Peas ever did was the b-side to 'Fallin' Up.' It was called 'Le Rox' and only ever came out on the promo 12" single, I think.

I liked the Bobby Digital album in 1998, but I also was stanning for Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Eels, Dr. Octagon, Cornershop, Fatboy Slim, Timbaland & Magoo, Soul Coughing and other Spin Magazine/120 Minutes pomo bullshit

this song is so good and it has Force MDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-jC3sIIVGY