is New York City dead?

nowhere else is even close to challenging NY's status whether it's dead or not

la has completely eclipsed/ultramurdered ny in all creative fields. ny still reigns supreme for salarymen

if i had a lot of cash i would definitely choose LA

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— Joel Irwin (@irwindigital) January 31, 2018

i moved from nyc to la last year. both are great cities, but both could use an infrastructure week or two.

You'd have to pay me a fuckload of money to live in LA.

would you consider an extra bathroom and two spare bedrooms and a garage in lieu of the money?

Well... probably not! We have a really nice apartment to be honest. Two bathrooms, one spare bedroom, big open space, don't mind street parking in our neighborhood.

I have only spent a little time in LA, but I think it would be tough for me to live there. The constant driving, all your friends being spread out, too hot.

It feels too suburban, and the parts that feel walkable seem bad. Of course I'm sure there are plenty of nice neighborhoods, I've just never spent time in them.

and also just that feeling of a city built where the land did not want a city to be...

I didn't find it too hot, and better transit than I expected. But not enough rep cinema.

i think new york definitely took a massive blow when i left, because a lot of people find me very compelling, but yeah, that's a fair description of LA ian.

i work from home here so the driving affects me much less here, but fwiw when i drive to the kinds of places i go it takes me less time to get to them than it did in new york, unless those new york places were walking <10 mins walking distance. but i do miss walking.

Ian, where do you live now? Or is it the place you have been living in for a long time?

life seems great in LA, I have enjoyed visiting, and friends who have moved there in last ten years seem happy abt it, but it doesn't cohere for me as a "city"...like I never have a sense of a single, specific energy coursing through it, never the feeling that something happening in one part is relevant to any other...and this is the quality I most appreciate in a city, above and beyond the robustness of a given scene or whatever

Some friends moved out to LA a while back but didn't stay. I will always remember when they moved back, saying that the only place they saw their friends was by chance in the grocery store.

xp Yerac, I live in Clinton Hill, where I have lived for 6.5 years.

i think new york definitely took a massive blow when i left, because a lot of people find me very compelling

otm!

Ok, the last apt. I remember was when we took Pete to the park nearby (Prospect Heights?). I like having small spaces because it doesn't take me long to clean and we literally hang out in the same 100 sq feet of space all the time.

i find LA a very visitor-hostile place compared to new york, both in the sense that it's physically challenging and it's culturally inscrutable and inpenetrable to the average non-american because it's so unlike anywhere in, say, europe. when i have family over it's a ton of work and they don't like it anyway. i can imagine that feeling persisting for a while, maybe years, when you first move here. i moved here with a local which helps.

ha xp!

i miss the compelling caek too

I've alao been told i should stay somewhere besides Hollywood next trip. I understand things actually go on Downtown now.

Well... probably not! We have a really nice apartment to be honest. Two bathrooms, one spare bedroom, big open space, don't mind street parking in our neighborhood.

I have only spent a little time in LA, but I think it would be tough for me to live there. The constant driving, all your friends being spread out, too hot.

― ian, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:04 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It feels too suburban, and the parts that feel walkable seem bad. Of course I'm sure there are plenty of nice neighborhoods, I've just never spent time in them.

― ian, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:05 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel like we live in the exact right neighborhood for us, close to good friends (or close enough) and one block from our son's elementary school. we're even in a bit of a valley, so we're not baking in the sun all day during the summer. there's even a vv good bookstore nearby, and movie theaters. you can walk! it's very comfortable right here. but a lot of the trendy hoods I don't really dig. I didn't like Silver Lake and Highland Park isn't really my "thing." I think if i was coming to town now, I'd aim to live in downtown or Little Tokyo.

My issue I guess is I've never quite felt at home here, I'm not really a big fan of the climate and eventually it'll be a city only a war boy could love. And really the real estate prices are just depressing for us, a family trying to scrape by and stick around to help out my wife's parents.

i also like to run around strange cities with paper maps in hand, which usually involves getting lost for 30 minutes here and there. I was wandering among all these nice houses in Los Feliz a few summers back with nary a human in sight, and was sure someone was gonna call the cops.

That Judd Apatow show "Love" made me think that LA could be ok. I don't think I have outright ever enjoyed being there though.

My friends in LA who hate living there say they don't want to move to NYC because everyone in NYC thinks they are too smart.

tbf we are pretty smart

i stayed in echo park when i went to LA (at a friend of a friends') it was really pretty; i love cities on hills and think i disagree with 'a city built where the land did not want a city to be'. however the spread out driving around thing totally sucks. nyc always rules, although i always wonder why so many people who move there seem disapointed

everyone i know who has lived in new york moaned a lot about their commutes. i guess it can be quotidian things like that that make or break something for you

I have enjoyed my couple visits to LA, I even walked and used transit during one of them. It’s unlike anywhere else that is for heckin sure.

A lot of women I know had a terrible time dating in NYC and had to leave to find partners.

I have had a terrible time, and stopped looking. Cheaper.

I feel like I can maybe do two years here then I’ll need to figure something else out.

A lot of women I know had a terrible time dating in NYC and had to leave to find partners.
― Yerac, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:07 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was an accepted truth when I lived there briefly in the late 90s. Wonder how far back it goes.

reading these responses makes me feel like i like NYC for different reasons than everyone else. i like living here because i like the density! i like that walking is part of my daily routine and that most everything i need is within a 15 minute walk of where i live, and for everything else there's amazon. subway sucks but not so bad for me because i don't take it during peak rush hours. being around people in general is good, i think, even complete strangers. it's good to know other people exist and also i'm an inveterate people-watcher. i like that when it's 70 on a summer evening i can go out an walk about an hour without any particular aim. what kills me about suburban living is how deterministic it is, you drive from your house to the supermarket and back and all in between is is a bunch of grousing at other cars, stopping at the train tracks. grocery shopping can be a pain, i acknowledge, i'm pretty close to getting a little grocery cart.

the artist communities, bars, are not something i'm really even aware of. probably the movie scene is what i'd miss most if i were to leave but even now i rarely go to any movies, as morbs knows, because most movies are longer than 89 minutes for some reason, and in DCP.

no, everyone is just moving to queens now

xp tbh all of those reasons are exactly why I loved visiting NYC and want to return soon, but the state of the subway did make me sad

i like that when it's 70 on a summer evening i can go out an walk about an hour without any particular aim

dan thank you for living my nyc flaneur fantasy <3

I would say that most people in NYC love that they walk a lot and can walk anywhere.

read that as dad xp

i love walking in every city but nyc walking that's a whole other level

I really don't know how anyone is going to be able to open any kind of new business in a commercial space without some wack monolithic investors.

dan thank you for living my nyc flaneur fantasy <3

― flopson, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:38 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark

<3

also +1 on the city being a lot less compelling now that caek's gone!

learn another language and leave the USA, it’s a challenge but the satisfaction is worth it. if you have kids they’ll be bilingual in like 3 months

Dublin guys Dublin

I can attest that Dan likes to walk and look at ppl

i've lived in los angeles six years now

when i first moved here everything did look suburban and 3/4 of it look like a third world country, which i've gotten used to now

and it took me a while to know where the part of the county was that feels like a proper city and then i moved there, lived there for a few years and good lord it was slightly horrifying

nyc never appealed to me though and but i never "got it"

i do miss vancouver a lot, mostly because all my pals are there and it's my base, i'm glad i'll be moving back at the end of the year if everything goes well *knock on wood*

but los angeles is a weird place. like you can find anything and everything and that's what makes it cool and horrific all at the same time. it's got these "underground" worlds (plural) that reminds me of tokyo

and if you're caught staring a little too long you'll get shot which is kinda cool because staring is not nice (something vancouver can learn from)

i'm visiting again in a week. I still love it there.

i've actually really learned to love los angeles and it has a very special place in my heart now

everyone i know basically hates it though

but i love all the different cultures and parts of the city, like it's no big deal if you need to visit compton, it's not like "oh shit COMPTON" which is what a lot of people outside of la feel

one sad thing is los angeles is so segregated by race, so for all its diversity, there might as well not be any but i guess this exists pretty much in most very diverse cities

i was in vancouver last month and everyone there was so friggin nice. ime they display the warm, welcoming attitude usually misattributed to american southerners (usually by southerners themselves)

stay a little longer and you'll change your mind

you make your own new york
for me, landing between Prospect Park and Greenwood Cemetery was such a blessing. Both are complex outdoor spaces, heavily landscaped and considered; one is absolutely jammed full of people above ground and the other is virtually empty of living people. Both are wonderful options to reset from the city's chaos. I try to get to both at least once a week and that helps keep me balanced. that and the medicine.

Seems like NYC is not dead. thanks for confirming, everyone

everyone is just moving to queens now

I have noticed this a little bit, but I'll prob notice it a lot more soon since the L tunnel shuts down next year

no chili, it's like when the electrical energy is still pulsing thru a corpse