is New York City dead?

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the Midwest is gonna become cool again in like 15 years tops

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:21 (one year ago) link

Pittsburgh is already the next Seattle and Cleveland is probably the next Pittsburgh, all cities are inherently attractive places to live

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:26 (one year ago) link

Try visiting San Antonio sometime.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:27 (one year ago) link

Upon returning to U.S. my wife and I wanted to give somewhere else besides NYC a shot. We had one kid at the time and were planning on a second and had sold our place in BK and knew we were now priced out for good. We decided on western MA as I had history/friends in the area. On the drive up from my parents' place in FL (where my car had been parked for a couple years) we got increasingly worried that even visiting friends in NYC would be too much—we missed it so much and were afraid of falling back under the city's spell and changing our minds about getting out. So we drove inland on the Thruway without stopping, right past it. That was fourteen years ago.

I would echo everything said upthread about the city being easier to soldier through on a daily basis when you are younger. (And about that ease returning in old age.) I used to enjoy waiting for the train to come, even late at night, so long as I had something to read. In my 40s I have less patience for all the city logistics—not just the subway but shopping for groceries more frequently, dealing with manic co-op or condo people, landlord whatever.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

xxp it depends, some places have mountains/oceans/temperate climates and they have a certain cachet for people who like those things nearby

mh, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:29 (one year ago) link

i think most americans want to live in a castle and want to live alone and be left alone.

― 龜, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:11 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I used to hate that American, suburban mindset — which is so wasteful and misanthropic and implicitly right wing — but now I think it makes sense and I want to live in the woods.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:30 (one year ago) link

xxp I shld add that all the same I go down pretty frequently, for several years commuted once weekly to teach, and that to this day I feel more at home and more in sync and somehow more relaxed (?) in New York than I ever have in pastoral New England

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:30 (one year ago) link

western MA is dope, i have lived there and i loved it

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:31 (one year ago) link

xxp I was reminded that, even in high school, I used to say I wanted to be a hermit in the woods and not have to deal with people ... but I think that stemmed from still being in the closet

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

Yeah it's cool but really one of its advantages is its relative proximity to NYC xp

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (one year ago) link

you have educational & cultural institutions and progressive attitudes of the city but there is abundant nature around. so many cool little towns too

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (one year ago) link

I don’t know myself anymore.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (one year ago) link

I would like to visit western MA but y'know i don't drive. (Which is also why i can't live in other places, besides there not being jobs I could get.)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link

sometimes i think about moving to the okanagan ya

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:36 (one year ago) link

like starting a little vineyard and just looking after my grapes and riding my horse

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:37 (one year ago) link

Xpost that is the other thing for us. K cannot drive so moving to any other city equals in her mind, perhaps correctly, isolation and loss of independence.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:37 (one year ago) link

xpmarcos All of these things are true but there if you are not from New England there is something about the character, the social vibe—even in the hotbed of progressivism where I live—that makes for tough acclimation. What I miss most about the city is people, random exchanges, a sort of affection strangers have for one another, an ease of intercourse.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link

I used to hate that American, suburban mindset — which is so wasteful and misanthropic and implicitly right wing — but now I think it makes sense and I want to live in the woods.

― treeship 2, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:30 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

it's okay, you're returning to your native state of being. you probably grew up in a suburb didn't you? it's alright, for a few generations americans were able to achieve the dream of buying and living in their own house in the countryside, far away from other people, like the feudal lords of old, until the world ran out of oil and the massive famines and droughts caused by climate change.

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link

Morbs we now have a train that comes to directly to downtown Northampton. I'll show you all the yarns shops.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link

how many are there?

Evan, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:42 (one year ago) link

137

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:43 (one year ago) link

i'll spin you a yarn or two

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:44 (one year ago) link

uh oh y'all are gonna make me miss Northampton

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:48 (one year ago) link

i miss northampton. i lived in that cool brick apartment building above the watering hole and northampton coffee. that town is so rad

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:54 (one year ago) link

it's pricy now afaik, though other western MA towns are less so i tihnk? easthampton & greenfield are still pretty cheap i think

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link

i was there last month, went to the montague book mill which is one of the best little spots in western MA imo maybe all of new england

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:56 (one year ago) link

One of my favorite places to live was a small one bedroom above a bar and coffee shop in a college town in upstate NY. If one of us got a job offer there I'd move back to that town in a heartbeat tbh.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:57 (one year ago) link

driving isn't really that difficult

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:59 (one year ago) link

Nah driving sucks

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:01 (one year ago) link

One of my favorite places to live was a small one bedroom above a bar and coffee shop in a college town in upstate NY. If one of us got a job offer there I'd move back to that town in a heartbeat tbh.

― omar little, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:57 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what town?

Evan, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:02 (one year ago) link

i grew up in a driving city so i don't find it that bad. driving & listening to music is fun

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:03 (one year ago) link

there is basically no traffic in cleveland though so that helps

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:03 (one year ago) link

Driving would be difficult for me, I'd crash in the first week. Also a car would be a money pit.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:05 (one year ago) link

driving isn't really that difficult

― mookieproof

Nah driving sucks

― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby)

These are not contradictory btw. It can be easy WHILE still sucking.

(It is also possible to not-drive in places other than NYC, but that's a whole nother topic)

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:09 (one year ago) link

gotta get morbs a bike. or rollerblades.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:15 (one year ago) link

car 100% money pit tho. can attest.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:16 (one year ago) link

i've been running a $300 monthly deficit lately w/out one, so...

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:17 (one year ago) link

One of my favorite places to live was a small one bedroom above a bar and coffee shop in a college town in upstate NY. If one of us got a job offer there I'd move back to that town in a heartbeat tbh.

― omar little, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:57 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what town?

― Evan, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:02 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ithaca!

Went back for an overnight visit a couple summers ago and it seemed like things had actually picked up a bit since I left way back in 1999.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:23 (one year ago) link

Gotta say it's been somewhat gratifying to see all of these down-on-NYC posts. I'm one of those who left (six years ago) for the suburbs once kids arrived, and while I have no regrets or doubts about the decision I can't help but wonder sometimes what things would be like if we'd tried to make a go of it in the city. I do still come in every day for work and like HVIII said (I might as well just quote him here) "I feel more at home and more in sync and somehow more relaxed (?) in New York." Maybe not the relaxed bit -- I'm pretty relaxed at home too. I really really miss the easy access to live music and amazing food and non-blockbuster films. But I don't know if I'd be able to enjoy and take advantage of the city like I did in my 20s. And we have fantastic neighbors where we are now, we love the schools, and we can spread out a bit -- we're not on top of each other all the time. One of the nicest things has been how my relationship to the outdoors has changed. Particularly with a small child it felt like there was always some planning involved just to get a little fresh air; now I walk out to the backyard in my pajamas with my coffee without a second thought, and I can spend hours outside with the kids without worrying about what to do if someone gets hungry or has to go to the bathroom.

Walking around the city now it feels like it's less interesting than it used to be, but I hope I'm wrong about that and that's it's down to me being older and not in touch with where the cool things are happening. My wife and I try to bring the kids in at least once a month because we want them to know something beyond suburban living, and I hope it'll be a place where they'd like to live when they're out on their own. But I don't know if the kind of neighborhoods I lived in and hung out in and loved will exist in 15-20 years.

It really was an outrageously great city to live in during my pre-family days though.

early rejecter, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:50 (one year ago) link

gotta get morbs a bike. or rollerblades.

thanks buddy, but most of my lifestyle problems would be solved with a rich husband

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:08 (one year ago) link

let me know when you find one, i'll be your butler.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:14 (one year ago) link

fwiw I feel like this thread represents a massive turn either for the board or NYC sentiment generally -- it used to seem like any time you knocked NYC in these parts people would jump on you for being some kind of butthurt man-who-doesn't-like-bob-dylan type

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:27 (one year ago) link

Hate Bob dylan

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:30 (one year ago) link

we're just old now

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:31 (one year ago) link

Hipster replacements the next big thing

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:32 (one year ago) link

older and poorer

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:33 (one year ago) link

new york is pretty good though. still got gray's papaya and papaya king.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:35 (one year ago) link

the thing is that nyc is never not getting knocked by New Yorkers. everyone has nostalgia for one or more halcyon nyc's, even the wasteland versions. This is an especially rough period because real estate, gross income inequality, etc. but after the impending cataclysm it will enter a new phase again. The ghosts of the city linger and it will never be truly dead-dead

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:37 (one year ago) link

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Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:39 (one year ago) link


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