is New York City dead?

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it seems like it's exclusively for young people. most people get out of dodge when they have kids to avoid paying for private school.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:27 (one year ago) link

ok maybe not most people, but a lot of people. i think when i'm in my 40s i would probably rather live in a house in a less exciting place than a tiny apartment in the city. but idk, i haven't gotten there yet.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29 (one year ago) link

Some of those young ppl won't be here much longer because there's nowhere affordable to live while you work nights and go to community college or start having kids before you have a "career." There are even a lot of young people coming back from college who can't afford to go back to the communities that they came from.

Anyway, whatever, I'm over it. My bf just bought a house in the Hudson Valley. I'm not moving up there with him but I am saving money for my own house somewhere there-ish or near-ish. I want a porch.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:34 (one year ago) link

i enjoy living a few miles away in NJ with the ability to either drive in, take a train, bus or ferry. Im not sure i could deal with living there day to day. i only have to go into the city for work a few times a month so any other time is for entertainment and that's cool with me.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:40 (one year ago) link

I've never thought about NYC as being for "young people".

― Yerac, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:18 AM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Manhattan is for old people with yorkshire terriers.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:59 (one year ago) link

I think people are kidding mostly but there are a lot of seniors living in NYC. And not on the UWS either.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:18 (one year ago) link

It’s a little annoying when people plug their ears about the economic differences between NYC today vs 20 years ago because it’s pretty obvious that it’s become a much harder place for any non-monied person to live and undertake creative pursuits.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:24 (one year ago) link

i've been here for 14 years and i am definitely worn down to a nub. life here has defeated me. we are dangerously near to being served an eviction notice this month so i might have worse problems than nyc exhaustion soon. i've been stuck here mostly because my wife is very very rooted to the city, with a broad tree of good friends and useful contacts. We'll see how it goes.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:26 (one year ago) link

If so, it's about time. It's had a good run, and maybe it should be grateful for all the time it's had as being the coolest hippest best biggest etc.

Maybe it should follow the example of straight white men: recognizing that it's had more than its share of glory, and gracefully stepping aside so that other entities might get a share of the spotlight every now and then.

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:27 (one year ago) link

nyc should step to the left, into NJ, or to the right, further onto long island

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:29 (one year ago) link

new york's alright if you like sex and phones

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:31 (one year ago) link

america being a country descended from farmers who went west for 40 acres and a mule, i think it's a wonder the NYC exists at all. there are really no alternatives to NYC infrastructure-wise, easy to see why people come here. nobody, the feds or the state is willing to invest in it anymore so it's going to die a slow death. america!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:31 (one year ago) link

new york's alright if you like sex and phones

I hear some other cities may be getting those things soon.

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:34 (one year ago) link

Everyone in Williamsburg pivoted to video

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:39 (one year ago) link

grass is greener lads

it depends where your priorities are and what your tastes are

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycR3K1IIf9U

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:47 (one year ago) link

Twenty years, for me--my entire adult life. But I'm so tired, every day, all the time. Taking the subway is an exhausting chore and it doesn't even count as part of my exhausting workday. Even with a vehicle, it takes an hour to travel 8 or 10 miles bc of traffic and lights. The things I like about NY are now limited to my friends and my immediate residential community, and I can transplant/develop those things elsewhere. (PS I hate all music and shows and movies and bars and loud noises.)

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:48 (one year ago) link

NYC is the best if you are older and have no kids. You're not the weirdo, old person with no kids. You can get everything delivered, never have to drive, the doorman can do welfare checks if you have no family.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:50 (one year ago) link

I hate it. And I can't leave.

No, that's Minneapolis that people hate and can't leave.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:51 (one year ago) link

I think I just happened to luck out by buying a super shitty Trump Sr. row house in Wburg in 2004 before I knew any better.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:53 (one year ago) link

xxxp Sure if you have $$$. Otherwise you can be any of the mobility-challenged seniors in my neighborhood who are confined to their homes bc they can't walk or climb stairs anymore, living alone or being checked on by one or two children, refusing to leave their homes but not able to care for them anymore. Two of them died in a house fire a few days after Christmas, right across the street from me. I worry about my next-door neighbor constantly but she's too stubborn to budge. I don't have children to take care of me, or own a home to die in, so I figure I'd better get started making something stick.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:53 (one year ago) link

Seriously tho, this ...

The things I like about NY are now limited to my friends and my immediate residential community, and I can transplant/develop those things elsewhere.

... is basically true of every major city. They're all fucking exhausting and at a certain point you age out of city life.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:54 (one year ago) link

NYC does have some advantages with kids -- I'm across the street from the playground, 5 min walk to the preschool, 20 min walk to the elementary school (and we still get a bus fwiw). The corner store has anything we need in a pinch and costco is accessible by a very short drive or even subway (although I'd hate to lug a load of costco groceries on the subway).

That said, we're in one of the last "affordable" neighborhoods with good schools and our monthly housing costs for an apartment are still comparable to a nice house in Jersey.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link

well eventually i will be stored in my sister's house in CT. Maybe in ten years, maybe in 5 months.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:57 (one year ago) link

eventually i'll be stored in a cremation urn

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

I like living in a major city with access to everything but at the same time, when someone I know here cashes out there home they bought in 1998 (for 200k-ish) for 1 million and then they buy a massive place in Vermont or Carolina I get vv existentially bummed out knowing I moved into this city at the wrong time.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:03 (one year ago) link

i'm planning to be sprinkled in the parking lot that used to be Shea Stadium

xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link

I wish I could eat the pizza that my ashes char flavor.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:06 (one year ago) link

xp

actually i was just thinking it'd be cheaper if i'm sprinkled over english bay

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:10 (one year ago) link

i think most americans want to live in a castle and want to live alone and be left alone. NYC is pretty antithetical to that unless you're the kind of person who can own at one 57.

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:11 (one year ago) link

No, that's Minneapolis that people hate and can't leave.

tbh i liked it and left

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:14 (one year ago) link

the Midwest is gonna become cool again in like 15 years tops

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:21 (one year ago) link

Pittsburgh is already the next Seattle and Cleveland is probably the next Pittsburgh, all cities are inherently attractive places to live

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:26 (one year ago) link

Try visiting San Antonio sometime.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:27 (one year ago) link

Upon returning to U.S. my wife and I wanted to give somewhere else besides NYC a shot. We had one kid at the time and were planning on a second and had sold our place in BK and knew we were now priced out for good. We decided on western MA as I had history/friends in the area. On the drive up from my parents' place in FL (where my car had been parked for a couple years) we got increasingly worried that even visiting friends in NYC would be too much—we missed it so much and were afraid of falling back under the city's spell and changing our minds about getting out. So we drove inland on the Thruway without stopping, right past it. That was fourteen years ago.

I would echo everything said upthread about the city being easier to soldier through on a daily basis when you are younger. (And about that ease returning in old age.) I used to enjoy waiting for the train to come, even late at night, so long as I had something to read. In my 40s I have less patience for all the city logistics—not just the subway but shopping for groceries more frequently, dealing with manic co-op or condo people, landlord whatever.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

xxp it depends, some places have mountains/oceans/temperate climates and they have a certain cachet for people who like those things nearby

mh, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:29 (one year ago) link

i think most americans want to live in a castle and want to live alone and be left alone.

― 龜, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:11 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I used to hate that American, suburban mindset — which is so wasteful and misanthropic and implicitly right wing — but now I think it makes sense and I want to live in the woods.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:30 (one year ago) link

xxp I shld add that all the same I go down pretty frequently, for several years commuted once weekly to teach, and that to this day I feel more at home and more in sync and somehow more relaxed (?) in New York than I ever have in pastoral New England

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:30 (one year ago) link

western MA is dope, i have lived there and i loved it

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:31 (one year ago) link

xxp I was reminded that, even in high school, I used to say I wanted to be a hermit in the woods and not have to deal with people ... but I think that stemmed from still being in the closet

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

Yeah it's cool but really one of its advantages is its relative proximity to NYC xp

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (one year ago) link

you have educational & cultural institutions and progressive attitudes of the city but there is abundant nature around. so many cool little towns too

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (one year ago) link

I don’t know myself anymore.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:33 (one year ago) link

I would like to visit western MA but y'know i don't drive. (Which is also why i can't live in other places, besides there not being jobs I could get.)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link

sometimes i think about moving to the okanagan ya

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:36 (one year ago) link

like starting a little vineyard and just looking after my grapes and riding my horse

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:37 (one year ago) link

Xpost that is the other thing for us. K cannot drive so moving to any other city equals in her mind, perhaps correctly, isolation and loss of independence.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:37 (one year ago) link

xpmarcos All of these things are true but there if you are not from New England there is something about the character, the social vibe—even in the hotbed of progressivism where I live—that makes for tough acclimation. What I miss most about the city is people, random exchanges, a sort of affection strangers have for one another, an ease of intercourse.

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link

I used to hate that American, suburban mindset — which is so wasteful and misanthropic and implicitly right wing — but now I think it makes sense and I want to live in the woods.

― treeship 2, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:30 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

it's okay, you're returning to your native state of being. you probably grew up in a suburb didn't you? it's alright, for a few generations americans were able to achieve the dream of buying and living in their own house in the countryside, far away from other people, like the feudal lords of old, until the world ran out of oil and the massive famines and droughts caused by climate change.

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link


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