is New York City dead?

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Uptown is really nice and feels weirdly timeless, both the east and west sides.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:32 (one year ago) link

new york is obv dead bc we are now just talking about the subway

subway complaints otm though it really is awful

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (one year ago) link

I’m planning to move to east williamsburg soon — with friends — but maybe that isn’t my scene.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (one year ago) link

tbh i've never lived in ny, just visited a ton over the 15 years i lived on the east coast. i love visiting. there is a manic creative energy there, i enjoy being around all different kinds of people, and last time i visited (a month ago) it really struck me how globally, ethnically, socioeconomically diverse it STILL is

claims of a rust belt migration are overblown, though i do meet a fair share of folks who moved back to cleveland like i did after spending time in more expensive cities. there is a cool art scene in cleveland, there is stuff happening. but come on as cool and livable as rust belt cities are (and i do genuinely love them) they are provincial compared to a place like new york

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:37 (one year ago) link

i've been in NYC for eighteen years now and got through 9/11 and sandy evicting me and the 2003 blackout and am now old and fat and running into people I haven't seen in a decade on the way to the dentist
i would likely be a great deal less patient with city life if i had to still be doing daily subway commuting but I've been freelance for about five years and while that comes with its own hassles, i recommend it.
i would say one of the three major reasons i wanted to come here was because i hate cars and car culture and this was one of the few places you could get by without wheels... in the uber economy, this may be less true now?
NYC has ridic good live music and theater and film and art and general performance and lectures every single night of the week and the food is great
you can do all the above for a lot of money or for free/nearly free with a fair amount of due diligence
the rent remains too damn high but i remain amazed that the melting pot is still melting: every ethnicity/gender/class/creed is slammed together and we mostly all get along cheek by jowl without fucking killing each other somehow and that's a small miracle
there are days when i hate everybody and everything here but they're rarer than the days when I'm utterly floored by what the city has to offer.
i <3 ny

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:39 (one year ago) link

also treeship comment about the internet is partially right to some extent those more clearly defined scenes are happening more online than geographically. everywhere has scenes though

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:40 (one year ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:41 (one year ago) link

they are provincial compared to a place like new york

you can get people to piss on you anywhere in america

j., Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:43 (one year ago) link

xp That’s what i’m talking about ulysses. I need to rediscover some of that love — that Whitmanian view of new york. That’s what makes stuff like the stress of commuting bearable. It’s hard to feel that sometimes with all the grotesque and out of control wealth. And also I am just bitter now

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:46 (one year ago) link

"Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you."

Don't talk to me about sophistication, Ive lived in Woolwich.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:48 (one year ago) link

The East River Ferry is sort of a life-changing alternative to subway commuting. You can spend an entire week without going underground ever. But yeah, to get back to the thread topic, RIP New York.

mick signals, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:57 (one year ago) link

new york city is dead but where in america isn't? america is a failing nation. we should all be trying to immigrate to asia!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 01:34 (one year ago) link

I love NYC more when I am not in it. I don't like to shop, my favorite restaurants/bars are closed, the weather was getting to me. Cell phones/internet kind of ruined most aspects of going out (but that is true for a lot of places, just other places can have better manners about it). Tourism is killing a lot of cities. I say that as someone who is frequently a tourist to other places. But at least tourists from NY walk fast and try not to gawk.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:41 (one year ago) link

I've been spending a month in France and London. It's cold and grey. I would always choose them over NY because of all the ways they are different.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:44 (one year ago) link

There are still millions of young people living, drinking, making music, etc. in NYC, but apparently the city is dead because it's the wrong TYPE of young people?

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:17 (one year ago) link

Most of what I love about the place has gone away or I've been priced out of participating.

I hate it. And I can't leave.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:16 (one year ago) link

I've never thought about NYC as being for "young people".

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:18 (one year ago) link

it seems like it's exclusively for young people. most people get out of dodge when they have kids to avoid paying for private school.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:27 (one year ago) link

ok maybe not most people, but a lot of people. i think when i'm in my 40s i would probably rather live in a house in a less exciting place than a tiny apartment in the city. but idk, i haven't gotten there yet.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29 (one year ago) link

Some of those young ppl won't be here much longer because there's nowhere affordable to live while you work nights and go to community college or start having kids before you have a "career." There are even a lot of young people coming back from college who can't afford to go back to the communities that they came from.

Anyway, whatever, I'm over it. My bf just bought a house in the Hudson Valley. I'm not moving up there with him but I am saving money for my own house somewhere there-ish or near-ish. I want a porch.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:34 (one year ago) link

i enjoy living a few miles away in NJ with the ability to either drive in, take a train, bus or ferry. Im not sure i could deal with living there day to day. i only have to go into the city for work a few times a month so any other time is for entertainment and that's cool with me.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:40 (one year ago) link

I've never thought about NYC as being for "young people".

― Yerac, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:18 AM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Manhattan is for old people with yorkshire terriers.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:59 (one year ago) link

I think people are kidding mostly but there are a lot of seniors living in NYC. And not on the UWS either.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:18 (one year ago) link

It’s a little annoying when people plug their ears about the economic differences between NYC today vs 20 years ago because it’s pretty obvious that it’s become a much harder place for any non-monied person to live and undertake creative pursuits.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:24 (one year ago) link

i've been here for 14 years and i am definitely worn down to a nub. life here has defeated me. we are dangerously near to being served an eviction notice this month so i might have worse problems than nyc exhaustion soon. i've been stuck here mostly because my wife is very very rooted to the city, with a broad tree of good friends and useful contacts. We'll see how it goes.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:26 (one year ago) link

If so, it's about time. It's had a good run, and maybe it should be grateful for all the time it's had as being the coolest hippest best biggest etc.

Maybe it should follow the example of straight white men: recognizing that it's had more than its share of glory, and gracefully stepping aside so that other entities might get a share of the spotlight every now and then.

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:27 (one year ago) link

nyc should step to the left, into NJ, or to the right, further onto long island

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:29 (one year ago) link

new york's alright if you like sex and phones

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:31 (one year ago) link

america being a country descended from farmers who went west for 40 acres and a mule, i think it's a wonder the NYC exists at all. there are really no alternatives to NYC infrastructure-wise, easy to see why people come here. nobody, the feds or the state is willing to invest in it anymore so it's going to die a slow death. america!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:31 (one year ago) link

new york's alright if you like sex and phones

I hear some other cities may be getting those things soon.

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:34 (one year ago) link

Everyone in Williamsburg pivoted to video

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:39 (one year ago) link

grass is greener lads

it depends where your priorities are and what your tastes are

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycR3K1IIf9U

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:47 (one year ago) link

Twenty years, for me--my entire adult life. But I'm so tired, every day, all the time. Taking the subway is an exhausting chore and it doesn't even count as part of my exhausting workday. Even with a vehicle, it takes an hour to travel 8 or 10 miles bc of traffic and lights. The things I like about NY are now limited to my friends and my immediate residential community, and I can transplant/develop those things elsewhere. (PS I hate all music and shows and movies and bars and loud noises.)

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:48 (one year ago) link

NYC is the best if you are older and have no kids. You're not the weirdo, old person with no kids. You can get everything delivered, never have to drive, the doorman can do welfare checks if you have no family.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:50 (one year ago) link

I hate it. And I can't leave.

No, that's Minneapolis that people hate and can't leave.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:51 (one year ago) link

I think I just happened to luck out by buying a super shitty Trump Sr. row house in Wburg in 2004 before I knew any better.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:53 (one year ago) link

xxxp Sure if you have $$$. Otherwise you can be any of the mobility-challenged seniors in my neighborhood who are confined to their homes bc they can't walk or climb stairs anymore, living alone or being checked on by one or two children, refusing to leave their homes but not able to care for them anymore. Two of them died in a house fire a few days after Christmas, right across the street from me. I worry about my next-door neighbor constantly but she's too stubborn to budge. I don't have children to take care of me, or own a home to die in, so I figure I'd better get started making something stick.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:53 (one year ago) link

Seriously tho, this ...

The things I like about NY are now limited to my friends and my immediate residential community, and I can transplant/develop those things elsewhere.

... is basically true of every major city. They're all fucking exhausting and at a certain point you age out of city life.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:54 (one year ago) link

NYC does have some advantages with kids -- I'm across the street from the playground, 5 min walk to the preschool, 20 min walk to the elementary school (and we still get a bus fwiw). The corner store has anything we need in a pinch and costco is accessible by a very short drive or even subway (although I'd hate to lug a load of costco groceries on the subway).

That said, we're in one of the last "affordable" neighborhoods with good schools and our monthly housing costs for an apartment are still comparable to a nice house in Jersey.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link

well eventually i will be stored in my sister's house in CT. Maybe in ten years, maybe in 5 months.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:57 (one year ago) link

eventually i'll be stored in a cremation urn

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

I like living in a major city with access to everything but at the same time, when someone I know here cashes out there home they bought in 1998 (for 200k-ish) for 1 million and then they buy a massive place in Vermont or Carolina I get vv existentially bummed out knowing I moved into this city at the wrong time.

omar little, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:03 (one year ago) link

i'm planning to be sprinkled in the parking lot that used to be Shea Stadium

xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link

I wish I could eat the pizza that my ashes char flavor.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:06 (one year ago) link

xp

actually i was just thinking it'd be cheaper if i'm sprinkled over english bay

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:10 (one year ago) link

i think most americans want to live in a castle and want to live alone and be left alone. NYC is pretty antithetical to that unless you're the kind of person who can own at one 57.

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:11 (one year ago) link

No, that's Minneapolis that people hate and can't leave.

tbh i liked it and left

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:14 (one year ago) link

the Midwest is gonna become cool again in like 15 years tops

ciderpress, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 17:21 (one year ago) link


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