is New York City dead?

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Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (two years ago) link

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (two years ago) link

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:48 (two years ago) link

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:49 (two years ago) link

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:52 (two years ago) link

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:55 (two years ago) link

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:57 (two years ago) link

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:59 (two years ago) link

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:00 (two years ago) link

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

just not enough trains

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (two years ago) link

I want to get myself to love it again.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

Not the subway—the city

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (two years ago) link

I had the same commute. Bushwick to East Harlem. L to union square than the green line. Sometimes I found myself wishing I would just spontaneously die.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (two years ago) link

Interesting, ian. I don’t have too much experience driving in manhattan but when I’ve done it I didn’t have a good time.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:07 (two years ago) link

Last time I tried to take the L train during rush hour I almost had a panic attack trying to change from the G at Metropolitan; just a slow moving mass of people slowly slithering thru the tunnel. Really grim.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:08 (two years ago) link

I used to drive in the city all the time. It's fine. It was parking that was the issue.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:10 (two years ago) link

I miss DUMPLINGS! and pizza. And things not being closed on Sunday, Monday, half of Wed. or for whatever random holiday/break pops up.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:11 (two years ago) link

driving from Queens to Manhattan is not terrible, although sometimes you wind up having to park in a garage that costs more than whatever you're actually going to the city for.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:14 (two years ago) link

Agreed that the real issue with driving into the city is the parking. Ive gotten used to cruising the grid to find street parking; even if it's metered it's way better than paying a garage imo.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:16 (two years ago) link

I commuted into the city every weekday for work from roughly March 2000-May 2016. Since May 2016, I've been into NYC maybe 20 times - roughly once a month, on average - and I don't miss it at all.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:25 (two years ago) link

Uptown is really nice and feels weirdly timeless, both the east and west sides.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:32 (two years ago) link

new york is obv dead bc we are now just talking about the subway

subway complaints otm though it really is awful

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (two years ago) link

I’m planning to move to east williamsburg soon — with friends — but maybe that isn’t my scene.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (two years ago) link

tbh i've never lived in ny, just visited a ton over the 15 years i lived on the east coast. i love visiting. there is a manic creative energy there, i enjoy being around all different kinds of people, and last time i visited (a month ago) it really struck me how globally, ethnically, socioeconomically diverse it STILL is

claims of a rust belt migration are overblown, though i do meet a fair share of folks who moved back to cleveland like i did after spending time in more expensive cities. there is a cool art scene in cleveland, there is stuff happening. but come on as cool and livable as rust belt cities are (and i do genuinely love them) they are provincial compared to a place like new york

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:37 (two years ago) link

i've been in NYC for eighteen years now and got through 9/11 and sandy evicting me and the 2003 blackout and am now old and fat and running into people I haven't seen in a decade on the way to the dentist
i would likely be a great deal less patient with city life if i had to still be doing daily subway commuting but I've been freelance for about five years and while that comes with its own hassles, i recommend it.
i would say one of the three major reasons i wanted to come here was because i hate cars and car culture and this was one of the few places you could get by without wheels... in the uber economy, this may be less true now?
NYC has ridic good live music and theater and film and art and general performance and lectures every single night of the week and the food is great
you can do all the above for a lot of money or for free/nearly free with a fair amount of due diligence
the rent remains too damn high but i remain amazed that the melting pot is still melting: every ethnicity/gender/class/creed is slammed together and we mostly all get along cheek by jowl without fucking killing each other somehow and that's a small miracle
there are days when i hate everybody and everything here but they're rarer than the days when I'm utterly floored by what the city has to offer.
i <3 ny

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:39 (two years ago) link

also treeship comment about the internet is partially right to some extent those more clearly defined scenes are happening more online than geographically. everywhere has scenes though

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:40 (two years ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:41 (two years ago) link

they are provincial compared to a place like new york

you can get people to piss on you anywhere in america

j., Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:43 (two years ago) link

xp That’s what i’m talking about ulysses. I need to rediscover some of that love — that Whitmanian view of new york. That’s what makes stuff like the stress of commuting bearable. It’s hard to feel that sometimes with all the grotesque and out of control wealth. And also I am just bitter now

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:46 (two years ago) link

"Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you."

Don't talk to me about sophistication, Ive lived in Woolwich.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:48 (two years ago) link

The East River Ferry is sort of a life-changing alternative to subway commuting. You can spend an entire week without going underground ever. But yeah, to get back to the thread topic, RIP New York.

mick signals, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:57 (two years ago) link

new york city is dead but where in america isn't? america is a failing nation. we should all be trying to immigrate to asia!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 01:34 (two years ago) link

I love NYC more when I am not in it. I don't like to shop, my favorite restaurants/bars are closed, the weather was getting to me. Cell phones/internet kind of ruined most aspects of going out (but that is true for a lot of places, just other places can have better manners about it). Tourism is killing a lot of cities. I say that as someone who is frequently a tourist to other places. But at least tourists from NY walk fast and try not to gawk.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:41 (two years ago) link

I've been spending a month in France and London. It's cold and grey. I would always choose them over NY because of all the ways they are different.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:44 (two years ago) link

There are still millions of young people living, drinking, making music, etc. in NYC, but apparently the city is dead because it's the wrong TYPE of young people?

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:17 (two years ago) link

Most of what I love about the place has gone away or I've been priced out of participating.

I hate it. And I can't leave.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:16 (two years ago) link

I've never thought about NYC as being for "young people".

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:18 (two years ago) link

it seems like it's exclusively for young people. most people get out of dodge when they have kids to avoid paying for private school.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:27 (two years ago) link

ok maybe not most people, but a lot of people. i think when i'm in my 40s i would probably rather live in a house in a less exciting place than a tiny apartment in the city. but idk, i haven't gotten there yet.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29 (two years ago) link

Some of those young ppl won't be here much longer because there's nowhere affordable to live while you work nights and go to community college or start having kids before you have a "career." There are even a lot of young people coming back from college who can't afford to go back to the communities that they came from.

Anyway, whatever, I'm over it. My bf just bought a house in the Hudson Valley. I'm not moving up there with him but I am saving money for my own house somewhere there-ish or near-ish. I want a porch.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:34 (two years ago) link

i enjoy living a few miles away in NJ with the ability to either drive in, take a train, bus or ferry. Im not sure i could deal with living there day to day. i only have to go into the city for work a few times a month so any other time is for entertainment and that's cool with me.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:40 (two years ago) link

I've never thought about NYC as being for "young people".

― Yerac, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:18 AM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Manhattan is for old people with yorkshire terriers.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:59 (two years ago) link

I think people are kidding mostly but there are a lot of seniors living in NYC. And not on the UWS either.

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:18 (two years ago) link

It’s a little annoying when people plug their ears about the economic differences between NYC today vs 20 years ago because it’s pretty obvious that it’s become a much harder place for any non-monied person to live and undertake creative pursuits.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:24 (two years ago) link

i've been here for 14 years and i am definitely worn down to a nub. life here has defeated me. we are dangerously near to being served an eviction notice this month so i might have worse problems than nyc exhaustion soon. i've been stuck here mostly because my wife is very very rooted to the city, with a broad tree of good friends and useful contacts. We'll see how it goes.

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:26 (two years ago) link

If so, it's about time. It's had a good run, and maybe it should be grateful for all the time it's had as being the coolest hippest best biggest etc.

Maybe it should follow the example of straight white men: recognizing that it's had more than its share of glory, and gracefully stepping aside so that other entities might get a share of the spotlight every now and then.

I will finish what I (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:27 (two years ago) link

^ this makes me wish the olsen twins still made movies.

Yerac, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:38 (four weeks ago) link

thanks yerac!

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:29 (four weeks ago) link

yeah i feel like you need commercially zoned dead space for an artistic bohemian area to really work i.e. hackney wick, early williamsburg, etc

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand),

im hoarding empty warehouses in Patterson, NJ tell your friends!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:17 (four weeks ago) link

i hear detroit is still hiring

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:24 (four weeks ago) link

I feel like I do hear little snatches of things through my wife's artist friends and various other random people I know and it's mostly like there's no one place anymore "I hear artists are moving to [Woodhaven, Jamaica, Brownsville, East New York, Maspeth, Glendale, Mill Basin, a tiny unnamed island off the southern coast of Long Island, a barge in the Hudson river, etc.]

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 23:47 (four weeks ago) link

are there 'cool neighborhoods' anywhere in america? is there some place where it's more fun to be a 20 y/o artist than the gentrifying edges of brooklyn at the moment? I feel like some combination of 'the internet' + all dense urban areas getting expensive/safer/'normal' in past decades has made this idea a bit archaic.

iatee, Thursday, 30 January 2020 00:18 (four weeks ago) link

Young people are moving to the woods

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 30 January 2020 00:47 (four weeks ago) link

not exactly what Thoreau had in mind

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:06 (four weeks ago) link

Thoreau was a piece of shit so

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:13 (four weeks ago) link

uh oh dint know Thoreau was cancelled

NYU owned a lot less of the EV when I was there, eg nothing on Ave B which was a hellscape.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:43 (four weeks ago) link

Love any excuse to foist this essay on ppl https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/pond-scum

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:44 (four weeks ago) link

Livingston Manor is the new Williamsburg.

dan selzer, Thursday, 30 January 2020 02:45 (four weeks ago) link

As my stepdad would say , “Livingstink Manure”

calstars, Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:33 (four weeks ago) link

Rockaways seem pretty low key

calstars, Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:34 (four weeks ago) link

until you get targeted for fare evasion cssny.org/news/entry/mta-false-fare-evasion-narrative-data

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 30 January 2020 13:55 (four weeks ago) link


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