is New York City dead?

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Have the media decided where the New Portland is?

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:29 (one year ago) link

There was a Tooze tweet recently, where he showed stats on how professional actors in the USA, vastly outnumber coal miners. I forgot by much, but it was significantly much.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:30 (one year ago) link

I do hear murmurings about ppl aspiring to move to Pittsburgh, Detroit, Denver, a few others

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:31 (one year ago) link

According to @BLS_gov and @TheEconomist there are 51,200 people employed as coal miners in the US v. 785k in 1920. In 2017 there are more florists, actors and personal fitness instructors than miners.

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 2, 2018

I was misquoting it slightly

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:33 (one year ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear rumblings about Pittsburgh now and then. Also tons of my friends moved to Philly over the years and it did seem to be producing bands at a good clip for a while.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:35 (one year ago) link

And no one talks about how many administrative assistant, secretarial and receptionist jobs were lost in NYC due to automation, because... women, a lot of woc. Breadwinners for their families. Fuck coal miners and their sooty tears.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:37 (one year ago) link

I’m moving back to new york soon bc of my job but it’s not a nice place to live.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:39 (one year ago) link

I still have my apartment in Astoria. But I really don't want to go back. I dread having to deal with the subway.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:41 (one year ago) link

The subway is inexcusably unpleasant

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:44 (one year ago) link

i get more anxious/aggro in nyc in my old age. i don't know what it is. impatient. people bug me more. i think its just a case of the olds. i will always love the city though. in general. i've loved hanging out there my whole life.

it really is me being set in my ways. we stayed in brooklyn one summer with the kids and i seriously didn't want to leave the hotel room. get on a subway to go to a museum in manhattan? kill me now.

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (one year ago) link

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:48 (one year ago) link

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:49 (one year ago) link

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:52 (one year ago) link

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:55 (one year ago) link

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:57 (one year ago) link

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:59 (one year ago) link

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:00 (one year ago) link

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

just not enough trains

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

I want to get myself to love it again.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (one year ago) link

Not the subway—the city

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (one year ago) link

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (one year ago) link

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (one year ago) link

I had the same commute. Bushwick to East Harlem. L to union square than the green line. Sometimes I found myself wishing I would just spontaneously die.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (one year ago) link

Interesting, ian. I don’t have too much experience driving in manhattan but when I’ve done it I didn’t have a good time.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:07 (one year ago) link

Last time I tried to take the L train during rush hour I almost had a panic attack trying to change from the G at Metropolitan; just a slow moving mass of people slowly slithering thru the tunnel. Really grim.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:08 (one year ago) link

I used to drive in the city all the time. It's fine. It was parking that was the issue.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:10 (one year ago) link

I miss DUMPLINGS! and pizza. And things not being closed on Sunday, Monday, half of Wed. or for whatever random holiday/break pops up.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:11 (one year ago) link

driving from Queens to Manhattan is not terrible, although sometimes you wind up having to park in a garage that costs more than whatever you're actually going to the city for.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:14 (one year ago) link

Agreed that the real issue with driving into the city is the parking. Ive gotten used to cruising the grid to find street parking; even if it's metered it's way better than paying a garage imo.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:16 (one year ago) link

I commuted into the city every weekday for work from roughly March 2000-May 2016. Since May 2016, I've been into NYC maybe 20 times - roughly once a month, on average - and I don't miss it at all.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:25 (one year ago) link

Uptown is really nice and feels weirdly timeless, both the east and west sides.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:32 (one year ago) link

new york is obv dead bc we are now just talking about the subway

subway complaints otm though it really is awful

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (one year ago) link

I’m planning to move to east williamsburg soon — with friends — but maybe that isn’t my scene.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (one year ago) link

tbh i've never lived in ny, just visited a ton over the 15 years i lived on the east coast. i love visiting. there is a manic creative energy there, i enjoy being around all different kinds of people, and last time i visited (a month ago) it really struck me how globally, ethnically, socioeconomically diverse it STILL is

claims of a rust belt migration are overblown, though i do meet a fair share of folks who moved back to cleveland like i did after spending time in more expensive cities. there is a cool art scene in cleveland, there is stuff happening. but come on as cool and livable as rust belt cities are (and i do genuinely love them) they are provincial compared to a place like new york

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:37 (one year ago) link

i've been in NYC for eighteen years now and got through 9/11 and sandy evicting me and the 2003 blackout and am now old and fat and running into people I haven't seen in a decade on the way to the dentist
i would likely be a great deal less patient with city life if i had to still be doing daily subway commuting but I've been freelance for about five years and while that comes with its own hassles, i recommend it.
i would say one of the three major reasons i wanted to come here was because i hate cars and car culture and this was one of the few places you could get by without wheels... in the uber economy, this may be less true now?
NYC has ridic good live music and theater and film and art and general performance and lectures every single night of the week and the food is great
you can do all the above for a lot of money or for free/nearly free with a fair amount of due diligence
the rent remains too damn high but i remain amazed that the melting pot is still melting: every ethnicity/gender/class/creed is slammed together and we mostly all get along cheek by jowl without fucking killing each other somehow and that's a small miracle
there are days when i hate everybody and everything here but they're rarer than the days when I'm utterly floored by what the city has to offer.
i <3 ny

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:39 (one year ago) link

also treeship comment about the internet is partially right to some extent those more clearly defined scenes are happening more online than geographically. everywhere has scenes though

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:40 (one year ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:41 (one year ago) link

they are provincial compared to a place like new york

you can get people to piss on you anywhere in america

j., Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:43 (one year ago) link

xp That’s what i’m talking about ulysses. I need to rediscover some of that love — that Whitmanian view of new york. That’s what makes stuff like the stress of commuting bearable. It’s hard to feel that sometimes with all the grotesque and out of control wealth. And also I am just bitter now

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:46 (one year ago) link

"Try living in London, there's a real shithole for you."

Don't talk to me about sophistication, Ive lived in Woolwich.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:48 (one year ago) link

The East River Ferry is sort of a life-changing alternative to subway commuting. You can spend an entire week without going underground ever. But yeah, to get back to the thread topic, RIP New York.

mick signals, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:57 (one year ago) link

new york city is dead but where in america isn't? america is a failing nation. we should all be trying to immigrate to asia!

, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 01:34 (one year ago) link

I love NYC more when I am not in it. I don't like to shop, my favorite restaurants/bars are closed, the weather was getting to me. Cell phones/internet kind of ruined most aspects of going out (but that is true for a lot of places, just other places can have better manners about it). Tourism is killing a lot of cities. I say that as someone who is frequently a tourist to other places. But at least tourists from NY walk fast and try not to gawk.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:41 (one year ago) link

I've been spending a month in France and London. It's cold and grey. I would always choose them over NY because of all the ways they are different.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 08:44 (one year ago) link

There are still millions of young people living, drinking, making music, etc. in NYC, but apparently the city is dead because it's the wrong TYPE of young people?

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:17 (one year ago) link

Most of what I love about the place has gone away or I've been priced out of participating.

I hate it. And I can't leave.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:16 (one year ago) link

I think I ate some... 30 years ago

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:21 (one month ago) link

my old boss and I like terrible food so we got lunch there a couple of years ago because it is near our office. It was kind of pricey! I also made her take me to the Times Sq Olive Garden for one of my birthdays.

Yerac, Monday, 21 October 2019 20:24 (one month ago) link

was gonna say at least tad’s is still around but

mizzell, Monday, 21 October 2019 20:30 (one month ago) link

did you guys know there are two chock full o nuts in nyc but they're both in fuckin' midwood?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:32 (one month ago) link

Ulysses, did you make thay T✧✧@K✧✧.E✧✧ shirt?

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:39 (one month ago) link

naw, it's from the original thread

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 21 October 2019 20:44 (one month ago) link

That thread reminds me of The Flashy Crawl on Biryani Carts, Convenience Stores, etc.

Now I have the Chock full o’ Nuts jingle in my head on repeat.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 October 2019 23:15 (one month ago) link


Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 15:04 (one month ago) link

might as well be dead this weekend... don't get run over by the motorcade, skeletal runners!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 November 2019 22:32 (one month ago) link

i would pay $500 american to watch trump run even a 5k

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:19 (one month ago) link

Stayed at the TWA hotel last night (not dead, embalmed) and saw a motorcade heading down the van wyck while driving home this morning. Did I miss an opportunity for a roadblock protest?

dan selzer, Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:28 (one month ago) link

F you and your Marathon

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:49 (one month ago) link

Wolfen is one of those odd thriller-horror films from the early 1980s, along with Looker - which also stars Albert Finney - and Brainstorm that isn't very good and bored me when I saw it, but it feels years ahead of its time and has some great shots of 1970s New York:

They all feel as if they belong to the last gasp of downbeat brown-coloured 1970s sci-fi even though they were released in the new decade. I've never been to New York. It's one of those fantasy places that exists in films. The practical objection is that although transatlantic flights are £400 or so the only cheap hotels in New York appear to be hellholes because everybody wants to go there because it's New York.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 3 November 2019 22:03 (one month ago) link

How cheap is cheap. Might be able to find something one the outer boroughs that’s affordable and more interesting anyway.

dan selzer, Sunday, 3 November 2019 23:49 (one month ago) link

i don't think i linked this earlier but, speaking to Ashley's point, omg the NYC in the linked film below is just amazing
italian post-apocalyptic science fiction The Warriors pastiche set in the far flung future of 1990. jump to 3.20 for a great fight sequence and 7.22 for the best bridge/body/drum solo ever

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 02:03 (one month ago) link

been meaning to toss that on for ages... the sequel, "escape 2000," was a very good mst3k episode iirc.

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 November 2019 02:44 (one month ago) link

That was the episode with Toblerone! He was one of the resistance leaders. He overacted like mad, he was fantastic.

Unusually for that kind of Italian knock-off film it was apparently filmed in the actual Bronx.

You know, for years I assumed that Trading Places was set in New York. It has all the hallmarks. Snow, everybody wears greatcoats, the colour palette is grey, there are lots of posh stone buildings, most of the cast are elderly white people. But it was actually set in Philadelphia. Only the trading scenes at the end were in New York, specifically the WTC.

I mention it because I grew up in the 1980s, so I tend to associate the city with Wall Street, Ghostbusters, Working Girl and The Secret of My Success rather than the Bronx-is-burning films of the 1970s. In my mind it's a cold, hard, unsympathetic place rather than the loved-up hippie lovefest it probably is nowadays.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 4 November 2019 21:58 (one month ago) link

my dim memory of Escape 2000 is that it's mostly filmed on Roosevelt Island which at the time had some great rubbley ruins and weedy fields with views of Manhattan in the background. maybe parts of Jersey for the same effect. but i could be wrong and anyway your overall point is correct - it's actually New York! they could have easily picked some run-down part of Italy (thinking of Warrior of the Lost World using under-construction Corviale and other suburban-Rome locations for a post-apocalyptic future), or of America (like East St. Louis in Escape From New York).

all time best for that kind of thing has to be Rumble in the Bronx which just says fuck it and immediately shows you skyline views of Vancouver, complete with mountains in the background. i almost think the title might be on the screen for some of that. beautiful."

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:06 (one month ago) link

I saw Wolfen at BAM the other night for the first time in 38 years. Thought it was a good film both times! Biggest scare is the scene shot on a catwalk atop the Manhattan Bridge.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:29 (one month ago) link

otoh, the 30ish couple in front of me who came in late, babbled to each other, and the female half of whom told her complaining neighbor "You have a stick up your ass": NYC is dead.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:31 (one month ago) link


cryborg (rip van wanko), Monday, 4 November 2019 22:41 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Bloomberg's record in New York is perhaps the biggest, fastest, and most unrestrained application of "trickle-down economics" in this country. New York isn't rich because everybody is rich. It's rich because more and more only rich people can live there.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) November 8, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

Western Massachusetts

pophatte (admrl), Monday, 9 December 2019 17:49 (two days ago) link

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