is New York City dead?

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I don't go out much anymore, so maybe there's some lively cheap shit I'm missing out on.

It's also really hard for some people in late middle age (w/out a LUCRATIVE CAREER) to live here.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:30 (one year ago) link

I'm also old and have a family and work a lot, and I just don't really know what's happening anymore. When we went out in Bushwick, we saw some local DJs/electronic artists in a little club and it was absurdly packed and seemed pretty alive.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:31 (one year ago) link

I guess another thing I've noticed is that galleries tend to show artists from all over the US and world, and I'm guessing that's more true than it used to be. But that's also an internet-erasing-borders thing.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:33 (one year ago) link

All cities are dead because culture travels faster through the Internet than it ever could geographically.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:28 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty otm

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:43 (one year ago) link

it's all about the rust belt, my friend

we eat the cheeses here too

they are artisanal

our cities are the envy of all, their livability is primo

j., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:48 (one year ago) link

Here's how I think about New York, after my last visit there last summer:

New York is good and the only actual large city in America on the metric of everything existing there. Big cities are the ones where there is everything; you can tell Seattle is a small city because there are things that are not here.

New York is bad in that it smells of garbage. In the summer, hot garbage.

If more American cities grow to populations in the millions, New York will be more dead by comparison due declining uniqueness. Is this going to happen? Who knows.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:52 (one year ago) link

i kinda want to leave, but i have a job i like okay and an unusually fortuitous living situation. there's no real reason for me to be here; i don't partake of the cultural opportunities available

it'll probably be the subway that finally drives me away

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:57 (one year ago) link

NYC: where if you can make it there as a successful artist, you can also have a successful time crowdfunding your medical bills.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:21 (one year ago) link

Telecommuting will finish it off.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:23 (one year ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:27 (one year ago) link

Have the media decided where the New Portland is?

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:29 (one year ago) link

There was a Tooze tweet recently, where he showed stats on how professional actors in the USA, vastly outnumber coal miners. I forgot by much, but it was significantly much.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:30 (one year ago) link

I do hear murmurings about ppl aspiring to move to Pittsburgh, Detroit, Denver, a few others

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:31 (one year ago) link

According to @BLS_gov and @TheEconomist there are 51,200 people employed as coal miners in the US v. 785k in 1920. In 2017 there are more florists, actors and personal fitness instructors than miners. pic.twitter.com/m913tHokI2

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 2, 2018



I was misquoting it slightly

calzino, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:33 (one year ago) link

Less of a joke, not as dead as San Francisco?

Feels like people have been waiting for a rust belt/flyover city to take over since our traditional metropolises are more 'playground for the rich' than ever but I still don't hear kids looking to move to Columbus or Pittsburgh.

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:27 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hear rumblings about Pittsburgh now and then. Also tons of my friends moved to Philly over the years and it did seem to be producing bands at a good clip for a while.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:35 (one year ago) link

And no one talks about how many administrative assistant, secretarial and receptionist jobs were lost in NYC due to automation, because... women, a lot of woc. Breadwinners for their families. Fuck coal miners and their sooty tears.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:37 (one year ago) link

I’m moving back to new york soon bc of my job but it’s not a nice place to live.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:39 (one year ago) link

I still have my apartment in Astoria. But I really don't want to go back. I dread having to deal with the subway.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:41 (one year ago) link

The subway is inexcusably unpleasant

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:44 (one year ago) link

i get more anxious/aggro in nyc in my old age. i don't know what it is. impatient. people bug me more. i think its just a case of the olds. i will always love the city though. in general. i've loved hanging out there my whole life.

it really is me being set in my ways. we stayed in brooklyn one summer with the kids and i seriously didn't want to leave the hotel room. get on a subway to go to a museum in manhattan? kill me now.

scott seward, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

Everything here is comically more stressful than any other place.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

I car commute to the suburbs now and it's glorious to not be taking the subway anymore

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

Why is the ceiling always dripping down there?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:47 (one year ago) link

Second and third tier cities could attract people by just showing how messed up the MTA is in their promo material.

I haven't lived in nyc full time for almost two years now. I miss it, but I really don't miss it. Just the thought of having to take the subway to work gives me anxiety.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:48 (one year ago) link

Part of me really regrets accepting another job here. As a teen my dream was living here but it’s not that fun.

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:49 (one year ago) link

NYC misses Yerac and Znarf

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:52 (one year ago) link

Fix the subway and get rid of GOP madness and I am there!

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:55 (one year ago) link

fuck the subway, i drive most places now. and when i do take the subway it's in the middle of the day.
sorry can't do anything about the GOP.

ian, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:57 (one year ago) link

Do you have to go in and out of manhattan a lot or no?

treeship 2, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:59 (one year ago) link

I remember taking the subway maybe 1-2 times a month when I worked in Williamsburg. It was the best. My tweety truck got sold like 3 years ago.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:00 (one year ago) link

i've honestly not experienced the subway horrors that many have, but i will say that the subway is nearly unusable on nights and weekends

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

just not enough trains

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

I want to get myself to love it again.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (one year ago) link

Not the subway—the city

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (one year ago) link

The last job I had there, I almost had a breakdown every time I took the subway. I would sometimes using the plodding R so I wouldn't have to deal with the insaneness of the 4,5,6 during rush hour. That train really has the worst people to be stuck with in the tunnel.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:03 (one year ago) link

I do drive into the city regularly. Many mornings I drive in and drop my wife off at work and then drive home. It helps that we live near the Manhattan Bridge and her office is in chinatown. We also might drive in and park for any number of special events.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (one year ago) link

I had the same commute. Bushwick to East Harlem. L to union square than the green line. Sometimes I found myself wishing I would just spontaneously die.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:06 (one year ago) link

Interesting, ian. I don’t have too much experience driving in manhattan but when I’ve done it I didn’t have a good time.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:07 (one year ago) link

Last time I tried to take the L train during rush hour I almost had a panic attack trying to change from the G at Metropolitan; just a slow moving mass of people slowly slithering thru the tunnel. Really grim.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:08 (one year ago) link

I used to drive in the city all the time. It's fine. It was parking that was the issue.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:10 (one year ago) link

I miss DUMPLINGS! and pizza. And things not being closed on Sunday, Monday, half of Wed. or for whatever random holiday/break pops up.

Yerac, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:11 (one year ago) link

driving from Queens to Manhattan is not terrible, although sometimes you wind up having to park in a garage that costs more than whatever you're actually going to the city for.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:14 (one year ago) link

Agreed that the real issue with driving into the city is the parking. Ive gotten used to cruising the grid to find street parking; even if it's metered it's way better than paying a garage imo.

ian, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:16 (one year ago) link

I commuted into the city every weekday for work from roughly March 2000-May 2016. Since May 2016, I've been into NYC maybe 20 times - roughly once a month, on average - and I don't miss it at all.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:25 (one year ago) link

Uptown is really nice and feels weirdly timeless, both the east and west sides.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:32 (one year ago) link

new york is obv dead bc we are now just talking about the subway

subway complaints otm though it really is awful

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (one year ago) link

I’m planning to move to east williamsburg soon — with friends — but maybe that isn’t my scene.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:34 (one year ago) link

tbh i've never lived in ny, just visited a ton over the 15 years i lived on the east coast. i love visiting. there is a manic creative energy there, i enjoy being around all different kinds of people, and last time i visited (a month ago) it really struck me how globally, ethnically, socioeconomically diverse it STILL is

claims of a rust belt migration are overblown, though i do meet a fair share of folks who moved back to cleveland like i did after spending time in more expensive cities. there is a cool art scene in cleveland, there is stuff happening. but come on as cool and livable as rust belt cities are (and i do genuinely love them) they are provincial compared to a place like new york

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:37 (one year ago) link

i've been in NYC for eighteen years now and got through 9/11 and sandy evicting me and the 2003 blackout and am now old and fat and running into people I haven't seen in a decade on the way to the dentist
i would likely be a great deal less patient with city life if i had to still be doing daily subway commuting but I've been freelance for about five years and while that comes with its own hassles, i recommend it.
i would say one of the three major reasons i wanted to come here was because i hate cars and car culture and this was one of the few places you could get by without wheels... in the uber economy, this may be less true now?
NYC has ridic good live music and theater and film and art and general performance and lectures every single night of the week and the food is great
you can do all the above for a lot of money or for free/nearly free with a fair amount of due diligence
the rent remains too damn high but i remain amazed that the melting pot is still melting: every ethnicity/gender/class/creed is slammed together and we mostly all get along cheek by jowl without fucking killing each other somehow and that's a small miracle
there are days when i hate everybody and everything here but they're rarer than the days when I'm utterly floored by what the city has to offer.
i <3 ny

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:39 (one year ago) link

also treeship comment about the internet is partially right to some extent those more clearly defined scenes are happening more online than geographically. everywhere has scenes though

marcos, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 00:40 (one year ago) link

It’s been hit hard by the “death of retail”. Lots of empty storefronts in central-ish Manhattan neighborhoods. Perhaps more noticeable than in car-centric cities where the downtowns were hollowed out a long time ago.

o. nate, Monday, 13 May 2019 18:01 (three months ago) link

i got drunk and threw up in Max Fish. That was my first NYC experience in the 90's. Every subsequent visit has been tamer and less interesting.

akm, Monday, 13 May 2019 19:34 (three months ago) link

It’s been hit hard by the “death of retail”. Lots of empty storefronts in central-ish Manhattan neighborhoods. Perhaps more noticeable than in car-centric cities where the downtowns were hollowed out a long time ago.


I think manhattan has weathered this better than most places because it can support far more cafes, bars, restaurants.

iatee, Monday, 13 May 2019 19:45 (three months ago) link

and the packed subways are very efficient!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 May 2019 19:59 (three months ago) link

i remember reading some article a couple of years ago that claimed Bleecker St mainly hosts "performative" retail now. that rents are so astronomical, only companies able to take on losses purely for the cachet of having an address on Bleecker can afford to open up a shopfront there.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:06 (three months ago) link

I was reading a thing too where most landlords jack the prices up so much now to inflate the property value so that they can take cash money out to invest elsewhere (if they can't land the uber corporate tenant of their dreams).

Yerac, Monday, 13 May 2019 20:20 (three months ago) link

i remember reading some article a couple of years ago that claimed Bleecker St mainly hosts "performative" retail now. that rents are so astronomical, only companies able to take on losses purely for the cachet of having an address on Bleecker can afford to open up a shopfront there.


this ran in december. the lede is about the founder of horrible new york society chronicler guest of a guest! god bless people with money i suppose

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/style/bleecker-street-storefronts.html

Gone are the big-name luxury labels like Marc Jacobs, Michael Kors and Ralph Lauren. The last of the bunch, Brunello Cucinelli, closed its doors in October. In their stead are young, digitally native brands, many of them run by women.

Aside from Lingua Franca and Bonberi, there is Hill House Home, Margaux, the Daily Edit, St. Frank, Huckberry, Naadam, Slightly Alabama and Buck Mason. They are a well-curated mix of small brands with big ideas, and beloved online customer bases, eager to experience them in real life.

This was exactly the thinking of Brookfield Properties, the real estate company behind Brookfield Place, the commercial complex in Lower Manhattan. Last April, after exorbitant rents and a dearth of shoppers had driven out most of the businesses along an expanse of Bleecker, Brookfield bought four retail properties with seven storefronts, and immediately set to work rethinking the landscape.

...

“Bad retail is dead,” said Ms. Diamond, whose business has grown fast since its introduction in 2016, buoyed by a new generation of shoppers.

Instagram has been especially important. “That’s basically where all the magic happens for us,” she said, noting that she conducts polls on Insta Stories before offering products like $88 white Turkish cotton towel sets debossed with the words “Soap” and “Water,” released last month.

maura, Monday, 13 May 2019 21:41 (three months ago) link

just tra lala dee fuckin la, apparently, is how it goes, for some people

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 May 2019 22:07 (three months ago) link

NYC is a vanity project.

Yerac, Monday, 13 May 2019 22:44 (three months ago) link

I think I'm moving to the Bronx!

chinavision!, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 00:12 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/man-stabs-bus-14th-street

xp to "looks like the onion" and fucking mass transit and every other damn thing

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 7 June 2019 20:02 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I was frightened when I went to Hudson Yards. It’s everything I came to New York to escape basically. It’s, like, a shopping mall. The whole thing is just like suburbia. In the middle of what used to be a great neighborhood for hookers. That to me is not progress, but I understand to most people it is. I’m not saying I don’t understand the other argument. It just doesn’t seem like New York to me.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/06/john-waters-in-conversation.html

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 1 July 2019 03:08 (one month ago) link

NYC not dead, love this story

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/signs.jpg

A dispute between neighbors in Kew Gardens has become a real-life horror story — as a Queens man has decorated his yard with a Halloween-like monster mannequin that has left his next-door neighbors scared to enter their own home. “It’s gotten to the part where I can’t sleep. My daughter has nightmares about the mannequin. The whole thing is a nightmare,” said Jennifer Feldman, who is so upset at neighbor Shlomo Klopfer, she gone to the police over his yard display.

Feldman said the trouble on 147th Street began 11 months ago, when she asked him to remove a sign on his fence that read “Dead End” because it “creeped” out her then 6-year-old daughter. Klopfer, however, said he collects signs and he chose not to take it down. “I love signs, man. I collect signs,” Klopfer told the Post.

Things escalated from there. Feldman alleges that whenever she called 311 to make a complaint, Klopfer, 62, added more signs. She even went to the cops and talked to officers who deal with community relations. There are now more than a dozen signs that say “Private Property,” “No Trespassing,” and “Dead End” on a wrought iron fence separating the two 147th Street properties. There is also the gruesome-looking monster figure, featuring a blood-splattered t-shirt topped by a Halloween mask with stringy grey hair and blue bulging eyes.

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/mannequin.jpg

Klopfer’s wife, Ilana, said the couple is angry that Feldman never asked for a face-to-face sit down to settle the issue before going to the cops. “You see a sign. Why won’t you come over and talk to your neighbor like a human being? You knock on the door. You ask nicely. ‘Is it possible to take the sign down?’ She never has,” she said.

For her part, Feldman says: “We just want peace. It’s not just us. He fought for decades with the woman next door. We would like an end to the harassment of our family.” Feldman said she even approached Klopfer’s rabbi in good faith to act as a mediator but things did not get better. Feldman also thinks her neighbor is harassing her because of her interfaith marriage, a charge that Klopfer denied. “The only thing I can think of is I’m Jewish. My daughter and I go to temple. My husband’s Christian. I can’t help that.”

Police can’t force Klopfer to take down the display, since it is on private property and not a criminal offense. Neighborhood Coordination Officers from the 108th Precinct are working with both parties to resolve the issue, the NYPD said. Klopfer is a chaplain who owns a landscaping company called “S&K Tree Service.”

A neighbor who lives down the street said he is to blame and that he generally has beef with a bunch of people. “Klopfer has been in disputes with two other people. I’ve never heard complaints about Feldman,” said the 39-year-old neighbor who requested anonymity. “I don’t know how it started. But it’s getting way out of hand. The evil eye, the scary Halloween thing and all the cameras. I think it’s going too far,” he continued.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/queens-neighbor-fight-becomes-real-life-horror-story/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:28 (one month ago) link

lmao

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:42 (one month ago) link

contradiction here though:

Feldman said the trouble on 147th Street began 11 months ago, when she asked him to remove a sign on his fence that read “Dead End” because it “creeped” out her then 6-year-old daughter.

but

"You knock on the door. You ask nicely. ‘Is it possible to take the sign down?’ She never has."

🤔

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:43 (one month ago) link

he just loves signs, man

mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:43 (one month ago) link

and hideous ghoulish lifesize dolls, it's a continuum

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:44 (one month ago) link

“You got beef?” Is one of my favorite expressions and one which has been directed at me during a mugging years ago

calstars, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:55 (one month ago) link

love that the monster is perched next to ye olde time telephone with 311 painted on, so petty

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 21:21 (one month ago) link

like at some point you just have to give the guy credit and bake him a pie or something and call for a truce

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 21:23 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4lDU-QLUY&feature=youtu.be

Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:09 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4lDU-QLUY&

Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:11 (one month ago) link

It's weird to watch video now of crowds of people out in public, walking around, with no one looking at or talking on a cell phone.

o. nate, Saturday, 13 July 2019 02:12 (one month ago) link

heh, my thoughts exactly.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 13 July 2019 03:10 (one month ago) link

to me every day I walk among the zombies is weird

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 July 2019 04:14 (one month ago) link

you are legend

lumen (esby), Saturday, 13 July 2019 05:10 (one month ago) link

tonight the UWS is dead

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 July 2019 00:59 (one month ago) link

Living dead

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 July 2019 01:04 (one month ago) link

Glad i didnt go by midtown as planned!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:41 (one month ago) link

Yeah. At around 10:30 ran into a neighbor who had just returned home from his canceled Broadway gig.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:46 (one month ago) link

Ha, I was having an early dinner in the financial district. Jumped on the A to go to Penn and it only went one stop to Chambers. Transferred to the most packed 2 train I'd ever been on, which immediately became all local. Transferred after a few stops to a 1 train that was going so slow, we eventually just got out and walked. Minimal lighting and no AC at Penn was spooky.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Sunday, 14 July 2019 13:41 (one month ago) link

people got stuck underground for hours! some real nightmare shit there on a hot july PM

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 14 July 2019 15:30 (one month ago) link

Corey Johnson was all "THANK U GOD" cuz he got to play mayor on Twitter

(such a ho)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 July 2019 16:00 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

https://vimeo.com/238073511
^pertinent

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:51 (one week ago) link

the midi cheese was really wearing on me but it was all worth it for “when people ask me what my block is like, I tell them one time they faked it for Syria.”

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 19:10 (one week ago) link

he has a good deadpan humor but why does he act like he can't read

husserl gang (rip van wanko), Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:44 (one week ago) link


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