Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

I just think for the director who has always said he got into filmmaking because he wanted to see his paintings move, the question "why cut to a shot of an empty bar being swept" makes about as much sense as "why cut to a shot of a stoplight"

It's basically a hopper tableau come to life. Also 2 minutes is simply not a long time

Periodic reminder that it is cooper's body, not Dougie's, that cooper may or may not have the barest control over

― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:07 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i nearly typed this exact sentence

I always feel like I'm being a Frankenstein was the creator pedant (and often am) but it's not a minor point! The character lynch wants to spend all this time with is Dale Cooper

Periodic reminder that it is cooper's body, not Dougie's, that cooper may or may not have the barest control over

― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:07 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true! I tend to think only of "Dougie" as the entity we see for most of the series (Cooper's body, not much going on between the ears), the real Dougie Jones... we hardly knew him

real douglas jones seemed like kind of an asshole

not the other real douglas jones in the vegas fbi office

definitely loved the sweeping scene.

real douglas jones seemed like kind of an asshole

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 PM (fifty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but i'm guessing he was an asshole in the same way tulpa diane is an asshole i.e. they're fundamentally incomplete people dislodged from their true selves

Exactly

hard to say, we never evidence she was bad at her job, neglected a family, or cheated on a spouse with sex workers

she also didn't seem to have let her body go, but tbh all that chain-smoking isn't good for you

that's what I mean about the drip-drop of details about the real Dougie's past upthread... it's a bit of a mystery as to who this guy was, but I always assumed his personality must have been pretty nonexistent so as not to stand out in any real meaningful way, or for anybody to miss him when he's gone. But he also has a lot of ppl in his life who seem to care about him, despite his history of fucking up. I don't think he was an asshole; he was probably pretty easygoing

Tupla Diane, by comparison, had a shitload more personality, but her template was built off a real person, not an empty construct of a person

He was hapless

kind of a fundamentally mediocre human

idk man he was cheating on his wife and gambling to the point where people were threatening his life?

by kind of an asshole i think i mean whatever cosmic depression he felt bc he was an empty shell def negatively affected the other people in his life

fundamentally mediocre human seems right on

He was also involved in a criminal conspiracy let's not forget!

Also both tulpas experienced fugue states

yeah fundamentally mediocre is otm

But in a way that only underscores the sweetness of that whole arc. Here's a guy who's contributed very little to the world, and actively been a burden for a lot of people, yet more or less everybody helps him out anyway. They feel a sense of responsibility for him, and even show considerable affection for him. Reminds me a bit of the Straight Story arc of "here's a guy who meets people, and everybody he meets is really nice and helpful." Very effective contrast to the sourness and brutality of what's happening at the same time in TP

Original Douglas Jones is also interesting because he too is Dale Cooper

Let’s not forget the obvious dementia metaphor of Coop-as-Dougie. The protraction deliberately provokes a heightened sense of loss, and yes frustration / irritation that this apparently normal looking person is still not “himself”. We watch him like hawks, desperate for the slightest flicker of his old self.

spot on. That all hits really, really close to home

^^

yeah, i think that's really well put

Yep, and again this is all upthread(s) - and not that there should be too much of a biographical emphasis but frost's dad was dying of Alzheimer's and lynch was practically non-verbal into his early 20s & an anxiety about language/communication is a constant feature of his work going back to the alphabet, so there are plenty of reasons they might be interested in exploring this story beyond "it's their idea of a good wheeze"

Nobody else here probably cares about the giant's phonograph sound (i posted about it in either this or the other thread but was of course totally wrong), but someone figured it out (months ago, but I'd missed it until now): https://youtu.be/dMuzMU2u04o

It's the sound of Laura unlocking her diary from a FWWM missing pieces scene, around 13 secs into this clip.

check out the positioning of her hands as she retrieves the key, too...

whoa, the hands!

The Return was a masterclass in amping up expectations, it takes about 17 episodes to progress Coop beyond the finale of S2 and his efforts to undo Laura's demise. Finale shot with Laura hearing Leland and then screaming confirmed that we can't have nice things, the purgatory continues

Watching THE WRONG MAN and realized Lynch lifted this shot for the end of the new Twin Peaks 😳 pic.twitter.com/5UYlbJpjIj

— Nicky Smith (@MUGGER1992) March 8, 2018

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Also, the ppl who made the jack nance doc are trying to make a film about Catherine Coulson

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/historyofcool/i-know-catherine-the-log-lady

I read someone describe Laura's scream at the end as "blowing out the flame of the demon", and it explains why I disagree with the ending being definitely interpreted as a failure or loss.

i miss this show

My wife and I rewatched The Return for the first time again. We loved it the first time around and loved it even more this time, getting through it in less than a week. Would love to see it come back again, but I guess the chances are very slim.

i miss this show

― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah. I’ve seen a few people get excited about a possible new season based on some vague evasive response Lynch gave in some interview but I highly doubt we get any more tbh - the surviving cast & crew would be up for it, I think showtime would put up the money again, and even though it feels pretty complete I have faith that Lynch & Frost could cook up something, but reading the biography it’s pretty clear that working on the return took a pretty drastic toll on Lynch (not to mention his marriage). He was basically sick for the entire shoot, I just don’t see him taking on another project of this scale any time soon. It seems like he’ll keep directing if he can get funding from Netflix or whoever but something tells me his next thing will be a different beast altogether. Which is fine, I can be content with “only” sixteen and a half new hours of miraculous tv, but of course I’d love to experience something of this quality on a weekly basis again.

Also coincidentally as I was typing this the twin peaks theme came on the radio!

It made me think of the opening credits with the drone shots of the falls and the whirling red room and how they managed to completely change the way you experience such a familiar piece of music: no longer stately but vertiginous

miraculous is rly the word isnt it

wins should write a book about this show

i'm happy with Twin Peaks being left alone. that was the way to go out.

but yeah, i don't see any reason why guy couldn't get the dough from Netflix or similar for a new film or mini-series if he's got ideas. they're throwing money everywhere and a new Lynch project is guaranteed to get eyes.

i don't want or expect this show to get picked up again, it ends perfectly, i just miss the experience of regularly watching something this great, like being hypnotized and led into another world for an hour each week

no kidding
it was heavenly

i get that impulse but i was also very skeptical that "the return" was going to be good before it came out and look what happened there

see you in 25 years

its not happening againg ;_;

Hold on to hope, guys, maybe Frost will put out another couple of books.

Cosign what everyone said about the week-to-week viewing experience being so great. I don't need more of TP specifically but Lynch is all-time for me and whatever he gets done, if anything, I will watch.

re-watching the Return all in one concentrated go, it was interesting how straightforward it all felt! Like from week-to-week it was more baffling but when you're just rolling through it it all seems very coherent, even obvious - at least until the end.

Still haven't rewatched The Return since that week-to-week odyssey, but what you say is imo true for Lynch's work in general. The first time or two I'm reeling as I try to reconfigure my brain to Lynch's perspective and then everything just clicks on subsequent viewings.

well

its probably a lot to do with knowing second time around whether there even was a plotline, let alone knowing which aspects were and weren't sidelines to one

Having read the McKenna bio Lynch co-authored, I highly doubt he'll even make another film. The script he has completed sounds fascinating (Antelope Don't Run No More), would love to see that - but there's one detail from the book I keep thinking of... Lynch waking up from a nap, not knowing where he was, tired & sick, calling his girlfriend "I'm so tired. Everyone here is younger than me."

lynch otm

the fact that i didn't enjoy the return has became a bit of a millstone around my neck whenever it comes up in conversation. everyone loved it apparently.