david lynch's the transporter would probably just be the straight story 2
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
a co-worker who i think is a TP fan not a lynch fan (hasn't seen fwwm which i obv recommended she do as soon as set and setting permits) said something to me like "i need to see the new one because i need to know what happens to coop" and for all the allegedly hostile choices the return makes i was totally confident in saying "you will find out what happens to coop"
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
I'll go out on a limb and say I'm not a fan of the sweeping scene. I didn't really see what purpose it had, other than as reductive shorthand for "damn this series is slow."
But I think the frustration stems mostly from the sense (imagined, mostly) that those long scenes come at the expense of something we aren't seen—"why are we seeing this instead of Coop/Audrey, etc," as if there was only so much screen time to go around. That may have been the case for FWWM, where a lot of good stuff involving characters we love had to be cut in order to make the film stand on its own, but he pretty clearly fit everything he wanted to in The Return. They even extended the series' episode account iirc
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
Its purpose is ultimately the same as all of the other roadhouse musical interludes
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
I need to rewatch because I've forgotten a bunch of scenes of weird dark things and the thing I've most thought about in the last month is Dougie!
I visualize the essence of Cooper's as this swirling cosmic force that can influence Dougie's body, but only barely. So you have this tabula rasa character being pushed around on the chess board by a player that subtly moves him, who can see the entire playing surface. He's completely oblivious as to who is a knight, rook, etc. but the cosmic player knows. Eventually it's time for that particular game to end and he ends up getting that jolt of electricity as Cooper moves from the chess master role into his body.
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
Did Cooper really have that much control over Dougie's body, though? It seemed like it was mostly the lodge pulling the levers
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
make me wonder why twin peaks now sounds like being in an urban outfitters?
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
I can understand why someone might not be on board with Dougie or five minutes of uninterrupted sweeping
They're not the same thing. The sweeping is fine.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
lol you may be the only viewer who was like "man Dougie doesn't move me at all but now this sweeping scene.... that's the good stuff"
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
Periodic reminder that it is cooper's body, not Dougie's, that cooper may or may not have the barest control over
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
Haha. Loved the sweeping scene! xp
Dougie was starting to wear me out a bit near the end.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
the sweeping scene is beautifully framed and meditative; it also feels united with the pacing of the rest of the show. can't imagine rejecting it without exposing yourself to the theoretical purposelessness of several other scenes
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
I just think for the director who has always said he got into filmmaking because he wanted to see his paintings move, the question "why cut to a shot of an empty bar being swept" makes about as much sense as "why cut to a shot of a stoplight"
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
It's basically a hopper tableau come to life. Also 2 minutes is simply not a long time
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:07 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol i nearly typed this exact sentence
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
I always feel like I'm being a Frankenstein was the creator pedant (and often am) but it's not a minor point! The character lynch wants to spend all this time with is Dale Cooper
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:07 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
true! I tend to think only of "Dougie" as the entity we see for most of the series (Cooper's body, not much going on between the ears), the real Dougie Jones... we hardly knew him
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
real douglas jones seemed like kind of an asshole
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
not the other real douglas jones in the vegas fbi office
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
definitely loved the sweeping scene.
― wade boggs' carpet world, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:15 PM (fifty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but i'm guessing he was an asshole in the same way tulpa diane is an asshole i.e. they're fundamentally incomplete people dislodged from their true selves
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
Exactly
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
hard to say, we never evidence she was bad at her job, neglected a family, or cheated on a spouse with sex workers
she also didn't seem to have let her body go, but tbh all that chain-smoking isn't good for you
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
that's what I mean about the drip-drop of details about the real Dougie's past upthread... it's a bit of a mystery as to who this guy was, but I always assumed his personality must have been pretty nonexistent so as not to stand out in any real meaningful way, or for anybody to miss him when he's gone. But he also has a lot of ppl in his life who seem to care about him, despite his history of fucking up. I don't think he was an asshole; he was probably pretty easygoing
Tupla Diane, by comparison, had a shitload more personality, but her template was built off a real person, not an empty construct of a person
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
He was hapless
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
kind of a fundamentally mediocre human
― mh, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
idk man he was cheating on his wife and gambling to the point where people were threatening his life?
by kind of an asshole i think i mean whatever cosmic depression he felt bc he was an empty shell def negatively affected the other people in his life
fundamentally mediocre human seems right on
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
He was also involved in a criminal conspiracy let's not forget! Also both tulpas experienced fugue states
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
yeah fundamentally mediocre is otm
But in a way that only underscores the sweetness of that whole arc. Here's a guy who's contributed very little to the world, and actively been a burden for a lot of people, yet more or less everybody helps him out anyway. They feel a sense of responsibility for him, and even show considerable affection for him. Reminds me a bit of the Straight Story arc of "here's a guy who meets people, and everybody he meets is really nice and helpful." Very effective contrast to the sourness and brutality of what's happening at the same time in TP
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Original Douglas Jones is also interesting because he too is Dale Cooper
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
Let’s not forget the obvious dementia metaphor of Coop-as-Dougie. The protraction deliberately provokes a heightened sense of loss, and yes frustration / irritation that this apparently normal looking person is still not “himself”. We watch him like hawks, desperate for the slightest flicker of his old self.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
spot on. That all hits really, really close to home
― Evan R, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
^^
yeah, i think that's really well put
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
Yep, and again this is all upthread(s) - and not that there should be too much of a biographical emphasis but frost's dad was dying of Alzheimer's and lynch was practically non-verbal into his early 20s & an anxiety about language/communication is a constant feature of his work going back to the alphabet, so there are plenty of reasons they might be interested in exploring this story beyond "it's their idea of a good wheeze"
― scrüt (wins), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
Nobody else here probably cares about the giant's phonograph sound (i posted about it in either this or the other thread but was of course totally wrong), but someone figured it out (months ago, but I'd missed it until now): https://youtu.be/dMuzMU2u04o
It's the sound of Laura unlocking her diary from a FWWM missing pieces scene, around 13 secs into this clip.
check out the positioning of her hands as she retrieves the key, too...
― Dan I., Sunday, 11 February 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
whoa, the hands!
― akm, Sunday, 11 February 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
The Return was a masterclass in amping up expectations, it takes about 17 episodes to progress Coop beyond the finale of S2 and his efforts to undo Laura's demise. Finale shot with Laura hearing Leland and then screaming confirmed that we can't have nice things, the purgatory continues
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 4 March 2018 10:04 (six years ago) link
Watching THE WRONG MAN and realized Lynch lifted this shot for the end of the new Twin Peaks 😳 pic.twitter.com/5UYlbJpjIj— Nicky Smith (@MUGGER1992) March 8, 2018
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 March 2018 05:17 (six years ago) link
We had to go to a wedding this weekend and we kept saying “wwiiiith this ring iiiii theeeee wed” to random people.
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 8 March 2018 05:21 (six years ago) link
TWIN PEAKS fans, I am proud to present “Damn Fine Coffee,” a record of the TWIN PEAKS fan theory presentation at @SplitScreensTV festival. If you love Lynch/Frost’s masterpiece, you will want to set aside time for this. Play it LOUD if you can. https://t.co/tNylW1xGul pic.twitter.com/yZbfXwZzmA— MZS (@mattzollerseitz) June 10, 2018
― U. K. Le Garage (wins), Monday, 11 June 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
Also, the ppl who made the jack nance doc are trying to make a film about Catherine Coulsonhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/historyofcool/i-know-catherine-the-log-lady
― U. K. Le Garage (wins), Monday, 11 June 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link
I read someone describe Laura's scream at the end as "blowing out the flame of the demon", and it explains why I disagree with the ending being definitely interpreted as a failure or loss.
― Dan I., Friday, 25 January 2019 04:07 (five years ago) link
i miss this show
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:19 (five years ago) link
My wife and I rewatched The Return for the first time again. We loved it the first time around and loved it even more this time, getting through it in less than a week. Would love to see it come back again, but I guess the chances are very slim.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 25 January 2019 09:17 (five years ago) link
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Clay, Friday, 25 January 2019 09:56 (five years ago) link
Yeah. I’ve seen a few people get excited about a possible new season based on some vague evasive response Lynch gave in some interview but I highly doubt we get any more tbh - the surviving cast & crew would be up for it, I think showtime would put up the money again, and even though it feels pretty complete I have faith that Lynch & Frost could cook up something, but reading the biography it’s pretty clear that working on the return took a pretty drastic toll on Lynch (not to mention his marriage). He was basically sick for the entire shoot, I just don’t see him taking on another project of this scale any time soon. It seems like he’ll keep directing if he can get funding from Netflix or whoever but something tells me his next thing will be a different beast altogether. Which is fine, I can be content with “only” sixteen and a half new hours of miraculous tv, but of course I’d love to experience something of this quality on a weekly basis again.
― gray say nah to me (wins), Friday, 25 January 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link
Also coincidentally as I was typing this the twin peaks theme came on the radio!It made me think of the opening credits with the drone shots of the falls and the whirling red room and how they managed to completely change the way you experience such a familiar piece of music: no longer stately but vertiginous
― gray say nah to me (wins), Friday, 25 January 2019 12:30 (five years ago) link
miraculous is rly the word isnt it
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 25 January 2019 12:56 (five years ago) link
wins should write a book about this show
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 25 January 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
i'm happy with Twin Peaks being left alone. that was the way to go out.
but yeah, i don't see any reason why guy couldn't get the dough from Netflix or similar for a new film or mini-series if he's got ideas. they're throwing money everywhere and a new Lynch project is guaranteed to get eyes.
― circa1916, Friday, 25 January 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link