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Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory represents utter mediocrity.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Also: 3.5hrs battery life with Airport on, won't run Aperture, weighs a pound more than the old ibook, has same scratchy finish as ipod nano, has weird keyboard that looks like ZX81, is going to heave at games. There really isn't a must-have Apple laptop anymore :(

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Combined optical digital audio input/audio line in (minijack)

Combined optical digital audio output/headphone out (minijack)

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

New "glossy" screen == glare and reflections

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Hang on, for £130 extra you get 20GB more hard disk and ... it being black?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i must say that's making me vey happy with what i have. there's something clunkily toy-like about the wide plastic borded round the screen too.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah I think I'd just as well wait until our current ibook is basically crippled before laying out for any of these. pbbft.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

STEREOMINI IS WORST AUDIO INVENTION EVAH

― Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

we're awaiting that macbookpro. hurrah!

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Very un-lustrous for me. I want to run aperture (which is apparently usable in its 1.1.1 incarnation). They haven't come up with the good for me this time and I can't wait. I like that they spec bumbed and price dropped the Mac book Pros though.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

13.3" ???

do you guys watch those new hip mac guy + fat nerdy windows guy ads and feel completely condescended to? im not a mac/apple fan at all but it still makes me cringe when i see how retarded theyre making mac devotees look these days.

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, the no Aperture is a killer.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

wtf is aperture

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Aperture is a program that apple made to try and make inroads to Adobe's three-fingered fist of doom. It is $500.00.

― Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

oh ok i just looked at it - probably great if you're a pro photog!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

who gives a shit. are they releasing a new interface for a new version of garageband or not? And will this have the horsepower?

I don't really feel up to spending money on another computer until I've located the actual killer app I want to run on it. Hardware should be purpose-built.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Aperture isn't really that big a deal in the scheme of things -- Adobe has fine RAW support. Aperture is being marketed as a whole program instead of a useful tool. I could see spending $100.00 on it, MAYBE, but def not $500.00

― Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to run aperture

lightroom is still in beta but will probably end up killing aperture

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

if you've bought a computer in the past two years i just don't see why you need a new one at this point - i see 0 compelling new things forcing an upgrade

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU ARE NOT COMPELLED BY THE BLAKNESS

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

ONCE U GO BLACK

― Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"18-hour movies will become the norm, said hollywood spokesmen today, and several top tier websites will begin embedding thousands of active-X controls per page, both efforts to increase flagging hardware and personal computer sales, which have reached the optimum performance levels for most applications"

"progress is our priority," said an intel spokesman

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm waiting for the first iteration of Mactel replacements for PowerMacs which I imagine will be less buggy than the first generations of Macbooks. My laptop is mid upgrade cycle right now and I will be wise to wait a few revs.

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Lightroom looks good and probably will be better than Aperture, but I think Apple have realised this and repositioned it as a prosumer app which is fine by me. It's going to stay a few hundred dollars cheaper i'd imagine, also fine by me.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Lightroom does not preserve the original raw file (or at least there's no exposed interface for reverting to it), and doesn't handle files edited in Photoshop well. Aperture does both things. And is $300. Like I'm going to pay for it anyway.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it is good that Apple is simplifying its product line. Now the only missing piece (other than servers, I guess?) are the Mactel desktops!

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

And a thin and light pro laptop made of rubidium.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

rubadubdubium

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I kind of want a new computer but realise, coming back to Tom's point, that the only things I will be able to do that I can't do now are burn DVDs and stream audio to my stero (Airport Express needs Airport Extreme, which my eMac can't cope with).

Streaming video to my TV would be v.nice, actually. Is that what Front Row can do, or is that just to monitors?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Why won't it run Aperture?

― caek (caek), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

If it can't actually run Aperture, it is because the Integrated Intel Graphics Adaptor sucks.

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm willing to bet it would run Aperture - just not terribly well. Apple tends to overstate minimum requirements (hoping you'll go ahead and buy the MacBook Pro).

Didn't Apple already fire/reassign most of the Aperture staff? Lightroom will be better, and probably cost the same whenever the CS3 suite comes out.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

In what way is Aperture/Lightroom a different type of product to Photoshop?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

photoshop is an editing program whereas AP/LR is an organization/editing program whose usefulness is directly propotional to the amount of RAW shooting you do.

― Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Photoshop: Editing=technical wizardyr; AP/LR: DOES THIS PICTURE SUCK OR NOT=EDITING

― Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

More streamlined RAW input/output (Aperture never modifies the original file itself, every action is saved to a separate file, kinda like iTunes MP3 information), some fancy graphics stuff for grouping shots, fewer image-editing controls (mostly color balance, sharpening - the tools most photographers use PS for anyway).

Very useful if you're a wedding photographer or photojournalist and need to download and view 500 images at once.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Why don't you go read the webpages for said products, Alba? ;)

milo:

Look at the required GFX cards here. http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs.html

And look the card here http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

It won't run Aperture because Aperture specifically checks what mac it's running on and quits out if it's not a very expensive one.

... and because that intel graphics chip is utter shit. It doesn't even have a full OpenGL implementation ... and OS X's display runs on OpenGL. So one of those two cores will be busy doing graphics work instead of important stuff. Grr.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

the GFX card issue came up before with other products (and maybe when Aperture debuted, specifically) - Apple says 'it won't work,' but really it will, it just won't do everything (and sometimes that most means really useless features like the wavy graphics you get with widgets - an OS X feature I haven't used once since the day I installed whatever we're on - Tiger?)

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Stet, I would imagine that the grpahics chip is only incapable of doing HW accelerated CoreImage effects which will only affect performance in apps that need it... like Aperture

xpost! Listen, if you're a "professional" who "needs" aperture, why are you buying the MacBook meant for college freshmen and moms?

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Because it's pretty difficult to haul around a desktop to photoshoots?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

But, like, the point everyone here is making is that apparently no one on all of ILX is planning on buying a MacBook so, yeah, don't worry about the "professionals"?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Why is it like an extra $200 if you want your Mac shit in black btw?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks. I did look at the websites, Jon, but they assumed I knew what the products were for. And the wikipedia entries said vague things like "designed to assist professional photographers in post-production work". The iTunes comparison is helpful.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Because it's pretty difficult to haul around a desktop to photoshoots?

Ally, there are also MacBook Pros (I still hate these names)

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Why is it like an extra $200 if you want your Mac shit in black btw?

Because Apple are price-targetting idiots with more money than style who think black is "cool".

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I know but some "professionals" are not "rolling in the dough" and are trying to deal with cost issues, etc etc. It basically was just an amazingly retarded question to ask.

xpost black isn't better because it's cool but because it presumably would look about 14x less dirty. Those white things get filthy within a day's use :(

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a lot of cheap people. And hobbyists who now shoot nothing but RAW digital images, need more control than iPhoto provides and want a better way to do it than going image by image in PS and Camera RAW.

I'd never buy a MacBook Pro - I don't need a laptop often enough to justify the money. Most everything I do is on a desktop, so an iBook makes great sense to take on vacation (or on location, or as a backup) without spending $2500. The lower-budget model should be capable of running Aperture and Final Cut Express and whatever pro/semi-pro programs it might reasonably be called upon to run.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Dirty is cool.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

My white nano looks much better after six months than any black nano I've seen. The white shows dirt, the black shows every little smudge and scratch you pick up.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

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