The takeaway that I got from the article is that since the justice system tends to mostly work for certain crimes and for people of a certain class/race/gender, as much as some of us would love to lock up or fine sexual predators/harassers this is not practical. Instead we have to address wealth inequality, the patriarchy, power inequality between the sexes. Which I agree with.
― Yerac, Friday, 2 February 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
whats going on w Rose McGowan? apparently she was heckled by a trans activist and decided she doesn't want the stress and now people are dragging her on Twitter for not wanting to put herself in this abusive situation. people are acting like she owes them something. it is pretty sad.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 3 February 2018 01:26 (six years ago) link
http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/rose-mcgowan-cancels-appearances-1202686011/
Yeah I see the usual twitter assholes calling her a TERF
― President Keyes, Saturday, 3 February 2018 03:01 (six years ago) link
the stuff she said looks bad in print but on the video it seems like a reaction to being shouted at for quite awhile
― President Keyes, Saturday, 3 February 2018 03:11 (six years ago) link
woe betide the half-woke
― mookieproof, Saturday, 3 February 2018 03:17 (six years ago) link
woe betide the half-woke...
― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 February 2018 03:49 (six years ago) link
the real battle then becomes: who gets to define the all-woke and half-woke, combined with the fierce rise of the woker-than-thou.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 3 February 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
ain't no such thing as halfway woke
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Saturday, 3 February 2018 04:44 (six years ago) link
there absolutely is
― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 February 2018 04:46 (six years ago) link
happens to me every morning
"woe betide the half-woke" is actually a pretty deep sentiment in the present cultural environment imo - I grew up around Marxists who hated liberals much, much more than they hated conservatives, and I'm friends with plenty of people like that right now; the tendency to think of a partial ally, or a flawed ally, or an anything-less-than-100%-onboard-with-the-program ally as more deserving of enemy status than an enemy -- this is totally familiar territory for anybody who's spent time in communist part meetings, but it's got reach now. I consider this really unhealthy, even though I do think it's very healthy for white liberals to be reminded that meaning well in your heart is bare-minimum stuff, not you-get-a-cookie stuff. but the act of denying the cookie isn't really worth the camera time it's getting rn imo
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:28 (six years ago) link
*party obv
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:29 (six years ago) link
At least in the pre-internet days you could have a private life and a social life that was separate. Life these days is an eternal Central Committee meeting.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
The people harrassing Rose McGowan because she had an emotional breakdown are monsters.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link
I feel like the flaws was always why McGowan was so important and powerful.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/opinion/sunday/this-is-why-uma-thurman-is-angry.html?smid=fb-share
is this going to fuck up tarantino's career?
― akm, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
It had better
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
Man, that car crash footage!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
I don’t get why they needed to use a fucked up car. She definitely is entitled to serious compensation for that.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
Thurman says that in “Kill Bill,” Tarantino had done the honors with some of the sadistic flourishes himself, spitting in her face in the scene where Michael Madsen is seen on screen doing it and choking her with a chain in the scene where a teenager named Gogo is on screen doing it.
Jesus.
― Simon H., Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
Like I can imagine an actor/director relationship where jumping in for stuff like that would actually make sense, but in the context of everything else mentioned in this story, just, goddamn.
― Simon H., Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
Tarantino has always been the worst American filmmaker. Not that that is relevant to this. But still.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
I am surprised that someone with QT's narrative fetishes is a sick fuck.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
now i understand her terse response just a little betterhow grosshaven't read the full deets but the info contained itt is more than enough to get the picture
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
His movies are incredibly hateful — gushing tributes to vulgarity with just enough ironic distance to establish his own sophistication. The paradigm, for me, of the worst possible way to make art.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Of course he would treat his actresses as objects. His entire approach — his empty formalism — involves a fundamental lack of respect for cinema, for storytelling, for human experience and vulnerability.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
Treeship otm
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
well put indeed
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
making death proof after that is unbelievably fucked updidn’t he also personally choke out diane kruger onscreen in inglorious basterds?
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
Yes, those are his hands strangling Kruger.
― Chris L, Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
There's really no need to align his awful movies with him as a person; he's quite obviously an awful bastard in his own right.
That footage is something else.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
maybe. the movies would be bad even if he was a great guy though.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
Exactly.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
I just rewatched Kill Bill 1&2 a month ago. I still found really great parts of the movie but the entire hospital scene with Buck was some extreme pervy/predator bullshit.
― Yerac, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
but at the same time LBI i don't think the movies are bad in a way that is totally disconnected from his own behavior. you can deduce from an artwork what the creator is like but at the same time the art doesn't come from nowhere. the trendy nihilism of those films -- which seemed so revolutionary in the 90s -- said something about our society and not something good
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
*you can't deduce
It's circular. There is so much surplus rape/sexual assault in mainstream movies and tv (how else to advance a storyline or provide complexity to a woman's character development???) that it feeds into men being shitty to women in real life, then the shitty men producing it onscreen. Rinse, repeat.
― Yerac, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
trendy nihilism of those films -- which seemed so revolutionary in the 90s
I was middle-aged in the 1990s. Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction struck me as trendy nihilism, but hardly revolutionary. I found them rather dismaying. I thought Jackie Brown was a pretty decent movie.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
credit for jackie brown rests mainly with elmore leonard, really
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
Jackie Brown is his best for sure, there's definitely a kindness towards the two leads he never seemed to feel for any other characters
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
i wonder what pam grier thinks of all this. (and bridget fonda, for that matter.)does anyone remember how, so many of the PULP FICTION fanboys hated JB? (well except the parts with samuel l jackson.) i always wondered if that twisted tarantino in some way.
― maura, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
i actually forgot that qt directed jackie brown. i don't remember much about that movie but i remember liking it and thinking that it seemed very dissimilar from tarantino's other works. less stylized, seemed interested in the characters, etc
― treeship 2, Saturday, 3 February 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
It seems pretty obvious that Death Proof is at least on some level about Uma Thurman and Stuntman Mike is meant to represent Tarantino himself, no?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 3 February 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
― Yerac
......
― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
Yeah newsflash the scene where the guy bribes nurses so he can fuck comatose patients is extremely pervy. almost like something a rapist predator would do. jesus christ.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
The Uma op-ed accuses only Weinstein of sexual assault; QT is simply accused of being an asshole and a creep, which we all already were aware of to some extent. Not sure why we need another thread to turn into a pile-on about how Tarantino’s movies are bad not good
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link
Putting Thurman in harm’s way by dismissing her objections to using a vehicle she was worried was unsafe and subsequently keeping the footage of the crash from her goes a bit beyond that.
― gyac, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
Not sure why we need another thread to turn into a pile-on about how Tarantino’s movies are bad not good
― El Tomboto, Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:39 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah exactly it's just boring. there's A LOT to talk about w/r/t this story with Weinstein & Tarantino, as gyac mentioned above.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
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I think women are allowed to be creeped out by this scene if they feel Tarantino's "issues" may have informed it.
― omar little, Saturday, 3 February 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link